If they were smart enough they wouldnt have to cheat in the first place

come clean? if he comes clean and outs other people involved in the scam he himself risks getting killed. and given his antics even if that were not the case, there is no way he would have enough guts and honor left in him to confess. there have been numerous people coming in this thread, confirming the story and confirming that the chat sounds like Marafioti talking. I doubt much more evidence will happen before the authorities get involved, and even then there is defo a risk of him getting away scot free. we can't say he's 100% guilty but hell, people are regularly getting convicted on less evidence

Agreed, but only in the long run.

Cheating is the very definition of cutting corners to save time achieving the end goal.

Hell of a lot faster to make that money the easy way, and then get out altogether.

Matt certainly was eluding to "getting out soon because all poker players are scumbags". His words, not mine.

I didnt exactly read every single post of this thread. But I saw the name "lokoisback" being brought up a couple of times.

Didnt lokoisback play mostly high stakes 6-max PLO CAP games and/or short stack the regular 6-max games and leave after a double-up (i.e. he seemed uncomfortable to play deep)?
Yes, he was probably among the top 5 winners, but wouldnt that generally be a bad choice of games, if you had physical access to another player's hole cards?
I mean, they would mostly get their 30BB stacks in preflop or on the flop and run out 60/40 decisions.
Plus, 80% of the games only ran when Gus was playing. So it wasnt like loko was online 24/7 to wait for his infected players.

Actually, regista was more of a short stack player in my books, too.


To be clear, take that FWIW. I dont know any of the players personally.

Funny reading this....

I used to relish playing adz @ 25-50 tables in maybe 08-09 cause he was so terrible. I used to hate hu, but would enjoy playing against other laggy bad players which he definitely was. i was up a considerable amount vs him, he disappeared for 3 months then came back, and in one session took me for 45k. (this was on stars)

I didnt play him again after that and it was at this point he started doing well online. Was it he got better or that he got some "assistance" i cant know

Regista8 is not rahman although its possible account was shared by both. The regista i know is a decent guy and doesnt strike me as the type who would pull off such a scam

since so many are asking for stars/tilt to take action/not ignore this thread:
has anyone send an email to them/ send their reps on here a pm with a link to this thread?
I know that they have reps around but they don't have to read every thread (especially not when the thread title doesn't suggest anything related to their sites and given how busy they are these days).
so imo: it would be good if someone would officially notify them and then post so here: we would know they are officially aware and it would prevent dozens of people sending them the same email or pm.

another suggestion:
a) make a list of accounts that you want checked and collect all HH you guys can find:
for hands played on stars and tilt: if you don't have your HH, send them an email. They can send you every single hand you ever played. GET THEM!!!!

b) Stars/Tilt will not send out HHs to players who weren't involved in the hands, so it is important that the players who got scammed/might have gotten scammed get all their HHs vs those players.

c) Stars/Tilt will not share details of their investigations. This doesn't prevent you from making your own analysis:
appoint someone who you trust and who is capable of analyzing the data/or at least trustworthy and capable of following instructions in regards to how to analyze the data.
Then everybody who got scammed/might have gotten scammed PM this one person all the HH in question.

Thank you! If anyone can direct livb or iftarii to the thread to chime in that would be great. Every bit of information we can find is vital and will likely lead us to more.

After spending a week reading this and all the other 'scam' threads I am completely shocked at the amount of improper things going on at HS....its a good damm thing the US politicians dont read 2+2 because we would be hard pressed to ever get a non-US site legalized in the country if they knew how many shady things were actually happening. Shocked.

Sigh, nevermind, if I had read one post further I would have seen that, according to Kowssarie, Erik123 used his Terror of Sweden account and was therefore probably the one who played TLK.

+1 to the bottom 1/2 of this. This thread has 245k views in a few days & has blown up on twitter as well, I think they're aware. Also, AFAIK not one Stars pro has commented on this publicly despite the overall amount of hate towards ADZ. There's likely a reason for that.

I don't feel sorry for Matt or his smart friends. Although I do feel sorry for his buddies dog that broke one of its "arms" and three of its "fingers". They all have far more lucrative careers as method actors.

I agree with that, but being aware of something and being directly appointed to do something are two completely different things. Just saying there is no reason to lean back and think 'yeah will, pretty sure they are aware', if it would cost one person one minute to send an email/pm and then knowing (and communicating in the thread): Ok, stars have been contacted and asked for action.
Just my experience that if you want to get something done/ want to appoint responsibility for getting something done, it is always better to concretely tell someone to do something as opposed to just assume he will do something just because he must have heard.

I will never play poker again if erik123 is involved in this ****, thats for sure.

Would your email appointing Stars and FTP be shorter or longer than that post?

Wow.. This is getting deeper n deeper.

Cliffs? 5 stars

Lets stop the derail over TLK hand.

ADZ should be dropped from Pokerstars regardless of an investigation. He stated he knew of people being able to see hole cards. Weather he did or didn't cheat himself, he knew of it going on. As a rep of pokerstars he should have reported it to his site. Unless Stars is cool with their reps keeping this stuff to themselves, I'm sure their customers would think differ.

lokoisback is well known poker professional from Finland and a friend of mine

How can / Why would u say that?

makes me very angry and sad

Hello xxx,

We appreciate the time you took to write us regarding your
concern. We are glad to have players as our "eyes and ears".

We will investigate this situation and will take appropriate
action as needed.

Please let me know if you need further assistance.

Regards,

Erick F
PokerStars Game Security Team

i only mailed them about adz though, my english is to bad to make a very long mail about the nicknames posted in this thread.

lokoisback is not samer and not a scammer. He's a finnish pro

Reading stuff like this has really not even made me feel like playing all day. And it's not because I'm afraid of getting scammed for large sums, lord knows I don't make that kind of $ but it's just the whole thing makes me sick about the state of poker in general. It's just not good.

+1

How the hell is ADZ a rep of pokerstars? Am i missing something here?

I agree. It makes me think of Major League Baseball a few years ago. Turns out quite a lot of them were 'roiding it up. Some for the edge and some because they knew others were and felt like they needed to in order to compete. It feels nearly the same in poker, cheat or be cheated. Not that I condone cheating at all. It's disgusting.

Edit: just noticed the Barry Bonds avatar above. Fitting.