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06-03-2008 , 06:58 PM
WSOP-Asians-Only-Donkamentz. Winnar LDO imo....

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06-03-2008 , 06:59 PM
[ ] marginalized
[x] discriminatory
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06-03-2008 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elgreenhornet
the reason for a women's only even is to generate more interest in poker from women. the problem comes when bracelets are a measuring stick for how good one of the big name pros is. they should just do like a breast cancer awareness tourney or something.
I 100% agree.
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06-03-2008 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by elgreenhornet
the reason for a women's only even is to generate more interest in poker from women. the problem comes when bracelets are a measuring stick for how good one of the big name pros is. they should just do like a breast cancer awareness tourney or something.
I am a woman who is actually opposed to women only events but this post here has got to be one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on 2p2, and that's saying a lot.

So what your saying is that the women's event doesn't "count", the woman who wins doesn't deserve a bracelet to use as a measuring stick and should just make it for breast cancer awareness instead.

Truly amazing. Please don't post anymore.

OH, and to the OP: This is not a "NEW" thing, they've been doing it many years already. Get out much?

T
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06-03-2008 , 07:08 PM
I believe they are about to do away with these tournaments, which have been running for years, because you don't like them
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06-03-2008 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MissT74
I am a woman who is actually opposed to women only events but this post here has got to be one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on 2p2, and that's saying a lot.

So what your saying is that the women's event doesn't "count", the woman who wins doesn't deserve a bracelet to use as a measuring stick and should just make it for breast cancer awareness instead.

Truly amazing. Please don't post anymore.

OH, and to the OP: This is not a "NEW" thing, they've been doing it many years already. Get out much?

T
OF course the womens bracelett counts, unless Jennifer Tilly wins it. That seems to strip all credibility from it now
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06-03-2008 , 07:11 PM
I dont think it's that ******ed. Making an event for people starting with "P" only, creating a field of 34, and I went on and won. This woulnd't be the same acomplishment as not everyone had a chance to participate in this tourney. If Phil Ivey played a normal NLHE tournament where I could register and he won it, and I played one where only few could get in and won it, I woulnd't feel my win was a equal as his.
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06-03-2008 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BiggPhish
You can still play in each of these events if you would like. This was challenged in the courts and the court stated that anyone could register and play in such events. They just don't advertise that it is allowed.

They cannot legally keep you from playing.
Next year i'm registering for "womens only" donkament if this is true. That has to be softest field ever.
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06-03-2008 , 07:16 PM
I would like to see both a left-handed-only and a right-handed-only tournament.

Then the two winners meet with fresh chip stacks in a heads-up tournament in which they are only allowed to use their non-dominant hand only.
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06-03-2008 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BosniaGoesPro
Next year i'm registering for "womens only" donkament if this is true. That has to be softest field ever.
You should wear a wig to escape all the flame.
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06-03-2008 , 07:18 PM
I don't care, ship the free monies.
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06-03-2008 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MissT74
I am a woman who is actually opposed to women only events but this post here has got to be one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on 2p2, and that's saying a lot.

So what your saying is that the women's event doesn't "count", the woman who wins doesn't deserve a bracelet to use as a measuring stick and should just make it for breast cancer awareness instead.

Truly amazing. Please don't post anymore.

OH, and to the OP: This is not a "NEW" thing, they've been doing it many years already. Get out much?

T
I know they have been doing this for years. I was just trying to relate the recent WSOP events to the issue at hand.

[x] gets out much

However you want to look at it, winning a bracelet in a marginalized event can only be measured amongst the group of people eligible to play in it. Thus, it can only be measured amongst women.

Villain "Oh, you won a WSOP bracelet?

Hero "oh yes, in the Womens event."

Villain "oh... the womens event."
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06-03-2008 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TJayBird
There should be an alcoholics event. you must do a shot of vodka every 15 minutes for the duration of the tournament.
awesome idea. i actually do think someone will do this. Blinds go up and the shots change

go oilers btw..... hemsky!
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06-03-2008 , 07:40 PM
Isn't there a dealer's tournament or some such also? Why do they need their own tournament?

I think the women's tournament is a terrible idea but I somehow don't care that they are doing it. I don't think anyone takes the results of said tournament very seriously anyway.

If there is going to be a women's event there should be a men's only event also, in the name of gender equity, but this won't happen because we live such a sexist society that encourages women to feel they are constantly victimized, special, and therefore deserving of preferential treatment.
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06-03-2008 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by patstap
I would like to see both a left-handed-only and a right-handed-only tournament.

Then the two winners meet with fresh chip stacks in a heads-up tournament in which they are only allowed to use their non-dominant hand only.
yes, and they have to have a chip stacking contest with their weak hands
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06-03-2008 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MissT74
I am a woman who is actually opposed to women only events but this post here has got to be one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on 2p2, and that's saying a lot.

So what your saying is that the women's event doesn't "count", the woman who wins doesn't deserve a bracelet to use as a measuring stick and should just make it for breast cancer awareness instead.

Truly amazing. Please don't post anymore.

OH, and to the OP: This is not a "NEW" thing, they've been doing it many years already. Get out much?

T
Whilst i dont see the point in womens events (similarly senior events) i have no real problem with having them.

That said there is no way the trophy for winning, namely the bracelet, should count equal to the bracelet for events that everyone is welcome to enter because there are limits to entry. I also dont think that if they did an event which has the requirement to enter that you be a current bracelet holder should give out a bracelet. Part of poker is that anyone with the funds can sit and play against anyone else, and if you create situations where that isnt true you need to question whether at its core its even poker of equal comparison.

Feel free to give a logical reason for why it counts equally, but i suspect you will be unable to do so.
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06-03-2008 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TJayBird
There should be an alcoholics event. you must do a shot of vodka every 15 minutes for the duration of the tournament.
i would probably play in this event even though i'm not nearly rolled for it. i'd prefer if it was chug a beer though because that would make it more necessary for people to have to get up to pee and hilarity would ensue.
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06-03-2008 , 08:05 PM
MissT, I think its pretty safe to say that a womens bracelet is worth hell of a lot less than a "real" bracelet, given a lot of the best players aren't welcome to the event (and some dont play in it for that reason). Would you disagree with that?
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06-03-2008 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by napolewan
Isn't there a dealer's tournament or some such also? Why do they need their own tournament?

I think the women's tournament is a terrible idea but I somehow don't care that they are doing it. I don't think anyone takes the results of said tournament very seriously anyway.

If there is going to be a women's event there should be a men's only event also, in the name of gender equity, but this won't happen because we live such a sexist society that encourages women to feel they are constantly victimized, special, and therefore deserving of preferential treatment.
Dealers only tournaments have nothing to do with the issue of equality. The purpose is to allow the staff to play in a WSOP event because they can't play in any others.

as for your comment - "we live in a sexist society that encourages women to feel they are constantly victimized"

First off, we do live in a sexist society.

Secondly, you believe women aren't constantly victimized? Look at some statistics my friend.

Thirdly, the only reason women tournaments exist opposed to males only is because we live in a male dominated world. The idealogy that men are superior to women is prominant in MANY societies throughout the world. North America is no different.

Last edited by Ophidion; 06-03-2008 at 08:27 PM.
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06-03-2008 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TJayBird
There should be an alcoholics event. you must do a shot of vodka every 15 minutes for the duration of the tournament.
Wow, that's a turbo structure! On a typical 14 hour day, that would be 56 shots- I'm in! My money is on Gavin Smith for the bracelet.
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06-03-2008 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MissT74
I am a woman who is actually opposed to women only events but this post here has got to be one of the most idiotic posts I have ever read on 2p2, and that's saying a lot.

So what your saying is that the women's event doesn't "count", the woman who wins doesn't deserve a bracelet to use as a measuring stick and should just make it for breast cancer awareness instead.

Truly amazing. Please don't post anymore.

OH, and to the OP: This is not a "NEW" thing, they've been doing it many years already. Get out much?

T
all i said was that there is a problem and that there are other ways to generate interest among certain groups. why dont you give us some insight to why a woman would be against them and stop being so offended?
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06-03-2008 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
How come when anyone complains about the women's and seniors events, they always bring up the "why don't they have a tournament just for blacks" line?
they dont have enough security for a blacks only tourney
%100 shooting incident
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06-03-2008 , 10:27 PM
Well, sidecar, racist much? I don't believe there were any shootings on that poker show on BET and they weren't even amateur players.

As a woman, if a field of women MTT contained players anything like Vanessa Rousso, or Clownie Gowen I would not want to play in it. After watching a previous episode of the Ladies WPT tournament final table, there was far too much, eye-cutting, snide remarks, and general bitchiness for me. Men can at least keep their feelings to themselves, regardless of what they actually think.

And keep me away from senior citizens, even tho I'm approaching that level myself.
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06-03-2008 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sidecar
they dont have enough security for a blacks only tourney
%100 shooting incident
You missed a solid opportunity to say that the shootout event is the event for ethnic minorities. You can make some kind of crips v bloods reference too if you can think of a big name latino player.

As it stands, you werent funny and not racist (double negative beeatches).
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06-03-2008 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
MissT, I think its pretty safe to say that a womens bracelet is worth hell of a lot less than a "real" bracelet, given a lot of the best players aren't welcome to the event (and some dont play in it for that reason). Would you disagree with that?
I'm pretty sure that Annie Duke refuses to play this event because she doesn't think it is legit.

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Originally Posted by another_rack
Obese Mtt's would be awesome. They'd have to be six max though, amirite?
This had me LOLing for over 2 minutes. There should be a 2p2 post of the month contest, like when Ricki Lake used to give out a trophy for audience comment of the day.

I think an event for people with less than 10% body fat who could pass a drug test would be the softest poker field in the history of WSOP (women's event excepted).
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