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03-22-2011 , 01:19 AM
2 hands before:

    Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342682

    ZeeJustin (UTG): $10,019 (100.2 bb)
    macdaddy34 (MP): $23,317 (233.2 bb)
    kangis (CO): $27,223.70 (272.2 bb)
    roy j (BTN): $13,199 (132 bb)
    kylef89 (SB): $10,000 (100 bb)
    Crazyhug (BB): $6,183.60 (61.8 bb)

    Preflop:
    ZeeJustin raises to $300, 4 folds, Crazyhug raises to $700, ZeeJustin calls $400

    Flop: ($1,600) 9 2 3 (2 players)
    Crazyhug checks, ZeeJustin bets $700, Crazyhug raises to $1,400, ZeeJustin raises to $9,294 and is all-in, Crazyhug calls $4,058.60 and is all-in

    Turn: ($12,517.20) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($12,517.20) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Results: $12,517.20 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 9 2 3 J K
    ZeeJustin showed A 3 and won $0.00 (-$6,183.60 net)
    Crazyhug showed Q Q and won $12,514.20 ($6,330.60 net)



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    03-22-2011 , 01:32 AM
    pow

      Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342692

      ZeeJustin (BTN): $9,789.40 (97.9 bb)
      macdaddy34 (SB): $19,241 (192.4 bb)
      kangis (BB): $30,792.70 (307.9 bb)
      roy j (UTG): $11,924 (119.2 bb)
      kylef89 (MP): $10,622 (106.2 bb)
      Crazyhug (CO): $26,718.20 (267.2 bb)

      Preflop:
      roy j folds, kylef89 raises to $300, Crazyhug calls $300, ZeeJustin raises to $1,100, 2 folds, kylef89 calls $800, Crazyhug calls $800

      Flop: ($3,600) 5 A 7 (3 players)
      kylef89 checks, Crazyhug bets $1,500, ZeeJustin raises to $3,200, kylef89 folds, Crazyhug raises to $25,593.20 and is all-in, ZeeJustin calls $5,464.40 and is all-in

      Turn: ($20,928.80) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($20,928.80) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: $20,928.80 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 5 A 7 6 6
      ZeeJustin showed Q A and lost (-$9,789.40 net)
      kylef89 mucked and lost (-$1,125 net)
      Crazyhug showed 7 A and won $20,925.80 ($11,136.40 net)



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      b2b...

        Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342702

        ZeeJustin (CO): $10,000 (100 bb)
        macdaddy34 (BTN): $19,166 (191.7 bb)
        kangis (SB): $30,667.70 (306.7 bb)
        roy j (BB): $11,899 (119 bb)
        kylef89 (UTG): $10,000 (100 bb)
        Crazyhug (MP): $37,854.60 (378.5 bb)

        Preflop:
        kylef89 folds, Crazyhug raises to $300, ZeeJustin raises to $1,000, 3 folds, Crazyhug raises to $3,900, ZeeJustin raises to $9,975 and is all-in, Crazyhug calls $6,075

        Flop: ($20,250) A 9 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: ($20,250) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($20,250) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Results: $20,250 pot ($3 rake)
        Final Board: A 9 6 4 5
        ZeeJustin showed T T and lost (-$10,000 net)
        Crazyhug showed K K and won $20,247 ($10,247 net)



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        03-22-2011 , 02:15 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by HomeAlone
        Pokertableratings doesnīt have I would say near the full amount of hands but over 50k hands he must run very very good for being bad at PLO

        $25/$50 PLO HU 39,798 hands +$728,617 18.31 BB/100
        $50/$100 PLO HU 9,350 hands +$246,090 13.16 BB/100
        LOL

        Letīs say half of those hands were played vs Urnotindanger2. He says he ran 1,000,000 below EV in those hands and thereīs no reason not to believe him, so Isildur1 is actually in the red if you deduct this run good. He probably also ran good in the rest of the hands as he played most of them vs Gordo who tilt quit him a LOT. I would assume heīs down quite a bit overall in EV.

        In before you defend him by saying "Ok, so heīs a slight loser, but doesnīt that mean heīs pretty good also?" It probably does. I never said heīs a normal fish, but thereīs a zero percent doubt heīs a dog in most PLO games he sits in. Itīs not actually surprising if you look at how bad he gets it in so much of the time. And thatīs not even mentioning the superb hands where he calls of 80 % of his stack pre and has to fold to a c-bet.
        03-22-2011 , 02:18 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
        LOL

        Letīs say half of those hands were played vs Urnotindanger2. He says he ran 1,000,000 below EV in those hands and thereīs no reason not to believe him, so Isildur1 is actually in the red if you deduct this run good. He probably also ran good in the rest of the hands as he played most of them vs Gordo who tilt quit him a LOT. I would assume heīs down quite a bit overall in EV.

        In before you defend him by saying "Ok, so heīs a slight loser, but doesnīt that mean heīs pretty good also?" It probably does. I never said heīs a normal fish, but thereīs a zero percent doubt heīs a dog in most PLO games he sits in. Itīs not actually surprising if you look at how bad he gets it in so much of the time. And thatīs not even mentioning the superb hands where he calls of 80 % of his stack pre and has to fold to a c-bet.
        ur clueless, really.

        isil is actually pretty good at plo alredy
        03-22-2011 , 02:22 AM
          Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342772

          ZeeJustin (CO): $40,916 (409.2 bb)
          macdaddy34 (BTN): $17,685 (176.9 bb)
          kangis (SB): $31,313.70 (313.1 bb)
          roy j (BB): $14,565 (145.7 bb)
          kylef89 (UTG): $31,589 (315.9 bb)
          Crazyhug (MP): $32,817.60 (328.2 bb)

          Preflop:
          kylef89 raises to $350, Crazyhug calls $350, ZeeJustin raises to $1,300, 3 folds, kylef89 calls $950, Crazyhug calls $950

          Flop: ($4,200) 3 J 2 (3 players)
          kylef89 checks, Crazyhug checks, ZeeJustin checks

          Turn: ($4,200) 8 (3 players)
          kylef89 bets $2,850, Crazyhug calls $2,850, ZeeJustin folds

          River: ($9,900) T (2 players)
          kylef89 bets $7,450, Crazyhug calls $7,450

          Results: $24,800 pot ($3 rake)
          Final Board: 3 J 2 8 T
          kylef89 showed 2 2 and lost (-$11,625 net)
          Crazyhug showed 5 Q and won $24,797 ($13,172 net)



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          03-22-2011 , 02:27 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by evil_ronnie
            Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342772

            ZeeJustin (CO): $40,916 (409.2 bb)
            macdaddy34 (BTN): $17,685 (176.9 bb)
            kangis (SB): $31,313.70 (313.1 bb)
            roy j (BB): $14,565 (145.7 bb)
            kylef89 (UTG): $31,589 (315.9 bb)
            Crazyhug (MP): $32,817.60 (328.2 bb)

            Preflop:
            kylef89 raises to $350, Crazyhug calls $350, ZeeJustin raises to $1,300, 3 folds, kylef89 calls $950, Crazyhug calls $950

            Flop: ($4,200) 3 J 2 (3 players)
            kylef89 checks, Crazyhug checks, ZeeJustin checks

            Turn: ($4,200) 8 (3 players)
            kylef89 bets $2,850, Crazyhug calls $2,850, ZeeJustin folds

            River: ($9,900) T (2 players)
            kylef89 bets $7,450, Crazyhug calls $7,450

            Results: $24,800 pot ($3 rake)
            Final Board: 3 J 2 8 T
            kylef89 showed 2 2 and lost (-$11,625 net)
            Crazyhug showed 5 Q and won $24,797 ($13,172 net)



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            .. That really ain't a shove on the river with a Q high flush?

            this game is miles over my head anyways, w/e I guess lol
            03-22-2011 , 02:32 AM
            dude is a fish. why the game is running. clear ship
            03-22-2011 , 02:43 AM
            lol @ 13 person waitlist
            03-22-2011 , 02:43 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Psycho Boy Jack
            Man, what a tool ...
            03-22-2011 , 04:16 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Loctus
            .. That really ain't a shove on the river with a Q high flush?

            this game is miles over my head anyways, w/e I guess lol
            I think he's the mark... just look at the other hand histories, overflatting A7s 100 bbs deep to a 3bet OOP, etc. pretty sure it's just him being bad and not you being on the wrong level
            03-22-2011 , 04:22 AM
            game over

              Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342912

              ZeeJustin (SB): $32,316 (323.2 bb)
              kangis (BB): $28,655.90 (286.6 bb)
              roy j (MP): $30,720 (307.2 bb)
              kylef89 (CO): $26,763.80 (267.6 bb)
              Crazyhug (BTN): $27,149.15 (271.5 bb)

              Preflop:
              2 folds, Crazyhug raises to $300, ZeeJustin raises to $1,200, kangis folds, Crazyhug raises to $3,400, ZeeJustin calls $2,200

              Flop: ($7,025) T J 8 (2 players)
              ZeeJustin checks, Crazyhug bets $5,700, ZeeJustin raises to $28,891 and is all-in, Crazyhug calls $18,024.15 and is all-in

              Turn: ($54,473.30) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
              River: ($54,473.30) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

              Results: $54,473.30 pot ($2 rake)
              Final Board: T J 8 2 T
              ZeeJustin showed J T and won $54,471.30 ($27,322.15 net)
              Crazyhug showed A J and lost (-$27,149.15 net)



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              ....and dragonxz (also from Argentina...) enters the fray on a new table
              03-22-2011 , 05:47 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
              LOL

              Letīs say half of those hands were played vs Urnotindanger2. He says he ran 1,000,000 below EV in those hands and thereīs no reason not to believe him, so Isildur1 is actually in the red if you deduct this run good. He probably also ran good in the rest of the hands as he played most of them vs Gordo who tilt quit him a LOT. I would assume heīs down quite a bit overall in EV.

              In before you defend him by saying "Ok, so heīs a slight loser, but doesnīt that mean heīs pretty good also?" It probably does. I never said heīs a normal fish, but thereīs a zero percent doubt heīs a dog in most PLO games he sits in. Itīs not actually surprising if you look at how bad he gets it in so much of the time. And thatīs not even mentioning the superb hands where he calls of 80 % of his stack pre and has to fold to a c-bet.
              I'd actually like to read someones opinion on isildur in plo games, but not from some clueless idiot such as yourself. GTFO.

              Mods please delete this posts and mine. This thread does need to reach such levels of idiocy.
              03-22-2011 , 06:01 AM
              People really need to stop talking about all in EV as if there's some sudden realisation that there's luck in poker. Especially when playing high variance forms of it.
              03-22-2011 , 06:28 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
              Man, what a tool ...

              Oh look Harrington spoke in chat, let's all call him a tool.


              03-22-2011 , 06:30 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Masq
              People really need to stop talking about all in EV as if there's some sudden realisation that there's luck in poker. Especially when playing high variance forms of it.

              All-in EV was invented 3rd Ferbruary 2011 by Alan Evenstein.




              Fact.
              03-22-2011 , 06:36 AM
              AI EV must be so worthless in crazy PLO games.. Might even out after 1m+ hands but I even doubt that shows the whole picture..
              03-22-2011 , 06:47 AM
              EV-graph is closer to skillgraph than winnings-graph

              fact

              but, realize that even this EV-graph can still be miles away from the skillgraph because of high variance

              but let's not start that discussion again.

              Last edited by frankvdg; 03-22-2011 at 06:53 AM.
              03-22-2011 , 07:21 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
              LOL

              Letīs say half of those hands were played vs Urnotindanger2. He says he ran 1,000,000 below EV in those hands and thereīs no reason not to believe him, so Isildur1 is actually in the red if you deduct this run good. He probably also ran good in the rest of the hands as he played most of them vs Gordo who tilt quit him a LOT. I would assume heīs down quite a bit overall in EV.

              In before you defend him by saying "Ok, so heīs a slight loser, but doesnīt that mean heīs pretty good also?" It probably does. I never said heīs a normal fish, but thereīs a zero percent doubt heīs a dog in most PLO games he sits in. Itīs not actually surprising if you look at how bad he gets it in so much of the time. And thatīs not even mentioning the superb hands where he calls of 80 % of his stack pre and has to fold to a c-bet.
              Please stop posting so I can stop answering...
              03-22-2011 , 07:30 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by User
              I'd actually like to read someones opinion on isildur in plo games, but not from some clueless idiot such as yourself. GTFO.

              Mods please delete this posts and mine. This thread does need to reach such levels of idiocy.
              He's probably not that far off the mark.

              There is a reason that with so few high stakes games running Isildur can find action night after night.
              03-22-2011 , 07:40 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
              LOL

              Letīs say half of those hands were played vs Urnotindanger2. He says he ran 1,000,000 below EV in those hands and thereīs no reason not to believe him, so Isildur1 is actually in the red if you deduct this run good. He probably also ran good in the rest of the hands as he played most of them vs Gordo who tilt quit him a LOT. I would assume heīs down quite a bit overall in EV.

              In before you defend him by saying "Ok, so heīs a slight loser, but doesnīt that mean heīs pretty good also?" It probably does. I never said heīs a normal fish, but thereīs a zero percent doubt heīs a dog in most PLO games he sits in. Itīs not actually surprising if you look at how bad he gets it in so much of the time. And thatīs not even mentioning the superb hands where he calls of 80 % of his stack pre and has to fold to a c-bet.
              you don't honestly think you're approximating isildur's EV-adjusted winnings by just looking for his opponents who publicly complain about running below EV?

              i hope you see what's wrong with that...
              03-22-2011 , 08:08 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by JazzyJeff1
              Durrrr: 5 mins challenge jungle?
              Jungleman12: ok


              its on woop
              you fake bumped the challenge thread under the same account name, doesn't really work a 2nd time
              03-22-2011 , 08:25 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by evil_ronnie
                Poker Stars, $50/$100, $25 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8342772

                ZeeJustin (CO): $40,916 (409.2 bb)
                macdaddy34 (BTN): $17,685 (176.9 bb)
                kangis (SB): $31,313.70 (313.1 bb)
                roy j (BB): $14,565 (145.7 bb)
                kylef89 (UTG): $31,589 (315.9 bb)
                Crazyhug (MP): $32,817.60 (328.2 bb)

                Preflop:
                kylef89 raises to $350, Crazyhug calls $350, ZeeJustin raises to $1,300, 3 folds, kylef89 calls $950, Crazyhug calls $950

                Flop: ($4,200) 3 J 2 (3 players)
                kylef89 checks, Crazyhug checks, ZeeJustin checks

                Turn: ($4,200) 8 (3 players)
                kylef89 bets $2,850, Crazyhug calls $2,850, ZeeJustin folds

                River: ($9,900) T (2 players)
                kylef89 bets $7,450, Crazyhug calls $7,450

                Results: $24,800 pot ($3 rake)
                Final Board: 3 J 2 8 T
                kylef89 showed 2 2 and lost (-$11,625 net)
                Crazyhug showed 5 Q and won $24,797 ($13,172 net)



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                Pure lolages at the river. I assume Crazyhug is the reason this game is running?
                03-22-2011 , 09:08 AM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by User
                I'd actually like to read someones opinion on isildur in plo games, but not from some clueless idiot such as yourself. GTFO.

                Mods please delete this posts and mine. This thread does need to reach such levels of idiocy.
                Can you please point me to the "idiocy" part of my post? All I said was, while he did win money overall, he did so by running uber hot. He probably lost money EV-wise. How can this even be up for discussion?
                03-22-2011 , 09:12 AM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by fl1pm0de98
                you don't honestly think you're approximating isildur's EV-adjusted winnings by just looking for his opponents who publicly complain about running below EV?

                i hope you see what's wrong with that...
                Yeah right ... Every PLO reg - remember: those guys have played tons and tons of hands at the highest stakes and they KNOW variance in PLO - just bitches and rants and complains with no reason whatsoever. Ben86 made up that graph where he ran 100k below EV over maybe 1000 hands. Gordo16 just tilt quit him for no reason. Urnotindanger2 made a twitter post about running 1.000.000$ below EV just because he could do it. Those high stakes PLO regs are all fkn whiny bitches, nothing to see here.

                Now letīs all hail king isildur1.
                03-22-2011 , 09:14 AM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by O dear
                Oh look Harrington spoke in chat, let's all call him a tool.




                LOL he didnīt "speak in chat". He spoke from the rail and tried to entice Daniel Negreanu to leave a HU match so he could play him. Thatīs probably pretty close to slowrolling with regrads to etiquette, but whatever.

                      
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