He admitted to multi-accounting in 2013, and is now doubling down on it 9 years later.

What else does he think is acceptable? Ghosting?, RTA perhaps?.

I haven't got a clue who he is irl, but IMO he is yet another in a long line of successful poker players who got to where he is now, by in part by breaking rules and cheating.

Also pretty dumb, that he would admit cheating in an interview. This is also common among poker cheats, they like to brag about it in interviews, as if to cheat and get away with it in poker, is worn by some as a badge of honour.

Don't bet with this guy in an online poker challenge folks, he clearly lacks a poker moral compass, so is capable of using any measures he feels necessary to win.

P.S. I've been around in poker for 12 years and read these forums for as long.

You admitted you have zero hands played at 200 blitz. So you don't really know how tough the games are.

Because I've actually played 200 blitz. Just out of curiousity for all the people who think he would struggle for even one second at 200 blitz, how many of you have even played 1 hand at that stake? You guys are all way overestimating the strength of the 200blitz pool and also way underestimating how good Phil is at poker.

You have a different view of what is and isn't cheating than I do.

Ghosting clearly is cheating IMO, although it's basically undetectable unless the site does a lot of analysis of a change in playing style and they would need people skilled enough to be able to detect this, especially in something like HU PLO.

The problem with you multi accounting, whatever your justification for doing so might be, is that it gives the opportunity for you to card share with yourself, chip dump to/from yourself, collude with yourself, so the mere fact that you multi-accounted is a big problem IMO, even if (as is possible) you never used it for the purposes just mentioned.

Yes, datamining itself is against the rules, but you decided to create your own set of rules to counteract it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Unless you're a Finn, you are -EV against me over a sample of live PLO comps, 4 card, 5, or 6, can throw in some PLO8 too if you want, plus PLO double and triple flop live MTTs, if such comps exist at the time. If you're Finnish, it's probably pretty even. If you're German, you're a slight dog. Obv these are broad nationality generalisations but it's surprising just how accurate they are in live PLO MTTs.

Hopefully, you're Greek or Italian. Lol.

When I'm in a position to do so, I'll come back in this thread (realistically this could be 18 months to 2 years time, as I work full time on my non poker business which is growing quickly and I barely ever have a day off).

We'd need to work out a formula that we are both happy with to determine cross book results, as we would very likely be playing different tournaments on different dates, at different stakes, so we'd need to do something like apply a degree of difficulty tariff to each comp, as well as plug in other variables, so that the end results are truly representative of who won, and by what margin.

Sorry if I called you a cheat in my previous post. I hadn't yet read your post I am replying to now above, and on reflection you weren't probably outright cheating, but it was still breaking some of the rules, and isn't something that I wouldn't do.

Ghosting is not cheating though because its not against most rules that I've seen. I don't play plo8, I'd only want four card action mtts.

Okay, I may have it wrong in some ways about ghosting,

Happy to make it four card PLO only, it is the purest form of the game after all. It is actually my favourite form of PLO, apart from triple board.
5 and 6 card basically increases the variance and favours punters, as you know.

Looking forward to this challenge and will officially propose it to you as soon as I can, and we can then look at schedules and how it would all work.

Not sure what my max total $ cross book risk I would be prepared to take on would be. Probably not huge, but if you're a big name, which I suspect you are, I may be able to get some backing for the cross book to be bigger, as I have a few people who would pick me against anybody in live PLO MTTs, so they'd see it as a good challenge with their money.

Some sort of system based on a combination of ROI, field size, degree of difficulty tariff for each comp, and points bonuses for cashing, FTing, top 3, and a win, would be my preference, as well as a cap on the series bet maximum win/loss.

Depends what you mean barely anyone? That's the same for every stake there's always a very small percentage of winners.

My friend is not a proven winner for sure, graphs from discord and instagram from the other two players would made me bet they were.

The same for a recently proven HS player of bigbet games. Wether HU or 6-max I would bet they would beat NL200 on wpn.

It seems people read too many threads on reddit or watch long videos of JoeIngram saying acr is full of bots and think is unbeatable. It's false.

Lynne Ji I don't have enough knowledge to say she would beat NL200 getting back to original topic.

You are correct, crushing within a week is hilarious. I suspect he is crushing by day 2 if not day 1.

Don't forget, PG is not going to show up completely unprepared. He will have done HW before showing up to start. Yes, that game is hard for most folks but PG already has the necessary good habits that most never get. He would show up much better prepared than the average and his history says he ramps up from just very good to top of the heap quickly.

Obvious that something isnt right in the 200 blitz games currently

I would probably call the bet void seeming as most players in that pool are cheating/colluding

Fan boys still thinking its 2008. The edge in 6max 200 simply does not exist today, even if you are PG. He is not even a NLHE player for years. Again more evidence of how dense the poker community is. lol

I just want to say it's ****ing ridiculous and a mark of a fish to say that an opponent's country of origin is a great tell one can exploit to make money, when there are so many better ways to exploit someone based on.... HOW SOMEONE PLAYS.

Based on your logic, if a site banned the display of a player's country of origin, your winrate would suffer. What a load of bs.

I may have to play you in some kind of live PLO MTT challenge too, if you think I'm a fish.

Nationality, as part of player profiling in PLO, is huge.

clearly you haven't played the Brazilians

I don't play PLO, but I have played enough poker hands to know that a player's country's of origin is a very rudimentary tell if you don't have a history with someone and you don't really know the player pool. Without any other reads I would certainly not deviate from my base strategy based on that fact alone. A player's country of origin btw is more useful in guessing whether someone's a reg, not whether a player's bad. Most players are bad and the really bad ones reveal themselves as such within a few hands.

I 've been playing MTTs on Stars since before Black Friday. I 've played with every nationality there is. Right now in my player pool, there are plenty of Brazilian regs who play pretty solid. There are still of course a lot of crazy ones as well, but not as many as there used to be.

Conversely, before Stars banned them, most Russians tended to be regs. However, there was a time before the Russian government made it diifficult to play and deposit online, that there were a lot of Russian recs who were among the worst, spazziest players imaginable. Forget bringing back US fish. Bring back the Russian fish.

I agree with what you are saying, but it is different for PLO.

And in live PLO there are even distinct differences between sub groups of a nationality group. E.g. French people of North African or part North African ethnicity tend to have a very different playing style to French players of a native Gallic ethnicity.

And some real examples, I've never played against a bad Finnish player in live PLO, but I've played against a few bad Norwegians and against some not bad, but not great, Swedes.
A lot of players might incorrectly lump these three nationalities together as "Scandis", but in my experience, they play a different style to each other.

This will translate less so to online but is still a factor, but live it is really important, if like me one of your strengths is the behavioural and factual profiling of opponents, and live reads.

That's why, even if Eskaborr is a top Finnish PLO player, I will be able to achieve similarly good results to him in live PLO MTTs, on average, because I have some skills that he won't likely have, and vice versa.

And live skills is not my whole game by any means, and unless he plays a lot of PLO MTTs, he is unlikely to be as good as me at playing ~20BBs, or at laddering / ICM, or he may be equally good, but I doubt better.

or maybe it is a testament to your own limitations, who knows!? understandably much more comforting for you to think it’s just impossible to win at X, Y and Z

So wait… this ‘Lynne Ji at 200blitz’ thread turned into a ‘can Galfond beat 200blitz’ thread?

/end thread
//should be locked

Yep this. It doesn't matter what stakes you claim to play, or how well you do on app games, or your 10 year old sample from 2012. There just isn't any significant edge in these games. More than a third of the entries in the average pool are bots/RTA.

Your leet app results or live games you played 8 years ago don't matter when half of your opponents are colluding/cheating, while many of the other half are literally dedicating their lives to beating the pool for 2bb/100.

It's just basic math. Who is losing enough to fund these winrates you guys think are possible? The reg that you (think) you have a 1bb/100 edge over? The bot that you think is a fish because he cold calls 3-bets too much and doesn't play exactly like your solver? (Because it's sharing info with other bots.) Or maybe you saw a couple hand histories of fish punting stacks two years ago, so the games must be soft!

I'd love for some of you to start putting money up for a prop if these games aren't so tough. Recording every session, recording of PC area, and daily hand history uploads for review. 4bb/100 should be very doable for some of you crushers. I know people who would be interested in betting against! You'd make over $100/hr with RB, and get to own the 2+2 haters! It would be stupid not to.

See when you guys say that 1/3 are bots/RTA you can't be taken seriously. Aforementioned guy can't beat NL2k and has a good winrate at NL200 and with a better hourly with rakeback, if not he wasn't mixing with other stakes.

I think a very good NL player would have 1-2bb, extremely good 2-4bb, only wizards 5bb+

Next thing you guys will say NL200 is harder than playing NL2k 3-4 handed on wpn or any other site heheh.

If any proven high stakes player (NL1k+) on non-segregated market wants to enter a bet I would bet on 3bb any day of the week. Of course I'm not going to suggest any name or bother other people for that type of bet.

Also would bet on NL HU or PLO5k+ players or anything like that. Not MTT guys though unless playing longterm highstakes online.

I think a lot of posters don't have any appreciation for how much harder fast fold games are compared to normal tables. Since the hourly (due to the sheer volume you can put in...) for a really good player at 200z compared to higher stake normal tables - players that would play those higher stake normal tables will play fast fold. It also helps to smooth out variance.

Tried 50z on ACR a while back, and got my ass kicked. I was able to beat 10z at the time for around like $13 an hour after RB and The Beast... also was able to beat 25NL normal tables. Used to beat 50NL normal tables and 100NL on ACR back around 2015.

My game has probably improved since then, but don't know if it's good enough to beat 50z... Right now beating 100NL (and probably 200NL - if I had the bank roll...) on one of the ring fenced American sites. I do plan to up my game, maybe then I'll be able to make it in these pools and not be locked in to living in MI/NV/PA/NJ if I want to play online for a living.

I'm sure someone like Galfond has a much better chance than most of making it in the 200z pool and having watched some of his videos, his understanding of the game is pretty deep ... I would not be surprised if someone like him could beat it with minimal studying. For myself, having taken a few years off between playing more than once ... most of the stuff comes back to me as second nature, except for the more advanced preflop/post flop spots.

I never said 4bb, matter of fact I strictly said above even at 1-1, which implies even I think I'd be a dog at 4bb/100 requirement even with extensive studying.

Huge difference between saying breakeven and 4bb/100 winner, nobody is saying you can smash it for 25bb/100 like the old days.

Rest is just typical hater nonsense. If someone capable had to truly dedicate their life to poker like you said and became one of the best and somehow attained this 4 bb ceiling or 2bb or whatever, they would be playing bigger stakes instantly. If someone has to dedicate their life to poker and somehow only make 100/hr they are doing something very wrong. 100 hr is not impressive in poker, I'm sorry to inform you.

The people capable of winning at the highest winrates at those games simply are not playing it because they are off making 500-1000++/hr instead, in whichever way they choose... even those apps/live games you look down on. 10 Is bigger than 1 last time I checked.


Meh we are tapping the glass too hard, all the people who have the loudest opinion on this saying 1/2 is the pinnacle of poker won't bet on it, or if they will it won't be for enough money. I agree, most people will never beat 1/2 zoom, play poker for fun everyone.

Yeah, the inability for him/her to realize that if these people "dedicating their life" are making 100/hr, but for some reason havent moved up even though the games are a fair amount easier everywhere else for 10 to 100x the stakes (10bb+ still possible elsewhere in poker) is absurd, it pretty much auto disqualifies him from having an opinion on this and we are stupid to engage.

In three months they would have a decent roll for 5x the stakes that are apparently easier, lmao.

How about this, show me the last 1 dollar 2 dollar acr zoom goat that has made it to high stakes and is crushing? Should be happening all the time.

Why don't you play there if your so good with all the RB rewards there?

A bot is not your behind
But it will make a misery of your grind
Don't try to bluff it with air
Cos it's gonna card share
Making your plays -EV, you'll find

You wanna collude, my dude?
Well, I have just the place
It's a card room in America
Well actually it ain't
But the coffee there puts a smile on your face

There once was a player called Gazzy
A great player now, no longer spazzy
He took on a bet, and what did he get?
Easy money, to now dress more snazzy

Lynne Ji, Lynne Ji
We rarely ever hear you say "weeeeeeeeeee"
Not online, nor at The Hustler, or even at The Bike
Although you do look pretty cool behind the mic

Galfond they say is yesterday's man
Well they mean at Hold'em, you understand
Put him in the 200z pool, make him look like a fool
And watch him damage his own brand