Bump for a view from Mr. Penders.. :s please pm me ASAP

UPDATE

My last contact with Cesare Florio (PIV Manager) was July 9th. He reads this thread and was not happy with the potential slander by Penders and he assured me his lawyer would get me some validation that Luckbox is indeed affiliated with Muchos Poker. He says that Tim Heath is the "Luckbox Administrator" and his name should help link the two companies. My Google search came up with nothing in the way of validation for this.

I followed up on July 18th and did not respond.

I followed up again on July 22nd and he did not respond.

As for Penders, I really don't know what to think of his comments. I don't see why he would have incentive to make this story up, however he doesn't seem to have any interest in commenting further. I've pm'd him here as well as Skype (he gave me his Skype through a 2p2 pm), and he's not been responding.. even with me offering potential compensation.

As always, any additional information from anyone regarding the situation and/or specifically the "case" that's in Maltese courts between PIV/Muchos would be fantastic and of course, compensated for nicely provided I get any money back in the future.

http://www.pokeraffiliatelistings.co...tml#post179350

dont have much to add here... im owed about 30k by muchos, and am given the run around on a constant basis. I went ahead and filed a complaint with their gaming commission which got them to respond immediately followed by them adding an absurd playthrough requirement to my account. Details not neccssary but its impossible to clear $1 of my balance (not that i could withdraw it anyway lol)

Again, I don't have any first hand knowledge, but have definitely heard the name "Tim" in reference to owning muchos, and have heard about the dispute between PIV and muchos.

As others have said, I would definitely donate a portion to get this resolved legally if thats in any way possible, and will be keeping my eye here for any updates that come

Also just FYI we have unfortunately (and perhaps stupidly) worked with some very bad rooms/networks in the past; just so you know, we are owed money from Piv, cake, bulldog777, goalwin, so no we have not scammed anyone, we are currently using all legal means to recover money owed (which is a long and expensive process in itself).

http://www.pokeraffiliatelistings.co...tml#post179353

So Muchos say that PIV owe them money and PIV say that Muchos owe them money.

Why is Mr. Cesare not providing any documents confirming that Muchos owe them money and how much?

Timothy Heath is the managing director of Muchos Gaming N.V., which is the operator of Muchos Poker.

Where are the documents confirming that Timothy Heath is the "Luckbox Administrator" Mr. Cesare?

@Lefort - You wanted information that could help you and your friends get your money back. There is no money to be paid back, so i didn't want to waste your time.

Personally i don't care if Cesare is "not happy" about the slander, the man lied to my face more than a handful of times, lied to associates about the financial state of his company and told his employees to lie to skins working with them.

The first meetings with the LGA regarding the PIV situation, Cesare even lied to the LGA to try and buy more time and the skins had to sit and fill in the LGA about what the truth really was and come back for another meeting some days later, when Cesare finally admitted to his lies and gave out the correct information to the LGA.

There is no money to be paid to players, there never were after they closed and they won't all of the sudden find the cash, 14 months after they went busto. It doesn't matter if PIV owes Muchos or the other way around, what will it change? We are not talking anywhere close to the amounts owed anyway, giving you a few cents to the dollar if you are lucky and the company get liquidated.

Hi guys , for the last 2 years I have been fighting to get answers from the LGA malta , (who are the largest online licensees in the industry and a deceptive criminal organization backed fully by the maltees government)

For more than 2 years LGA has been involved in scandal after scandal the latest being everleaf , LGA have lied continually to the world and the players it claims to protect , Everleaf ltd was in financial difficulty back in 2010 and the LGA imposed a fine on there , at the time no detais were released , however later to be found "irregularities in accounts " and LGA said they would "be keeping a close eye on them " however payment to clients slowed , eventually stopping around oct 2012 , floods of complaints to LGA and everleaf skins started , Everleaf claimed "payment processing issues " and LGA fully backed them and said "they were assisting with these issues" so they managed to buy another 12 months of allowing deposits with no intention of making any payouts , THE LGA WAS FULLY AWARE WHAT REALLY WAS GOING ON , THERE OFFICES WERE ONLY 30ft AWAY , THEY DO MONTHLY AUDITS , ALSO ALL PLAYERS FUNDS WERE SUPPOST TO BE KEPT SEPERATE IN A FINANCIAL INSTATUTION NAMED BY THE LGA WHICH AGAIN LGA GOT MONTHLY STATEMENTS TO MAKE SURE ALL WAS IN ORDER ..... THEY LIED AND ASSITED EVERLEAF LTD IN FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES ,, after lots of research and interviews with ex everleaf staff I suspect that LGA board members actually had shares or some financial involvement with everleaf , most of LGAs CEOs have there own gaming companies .

Ok , in this case LGA have totally severed ties with the victims of this mass fraud affecting thousands of players and amounts running into millions of euros . The new ceo promises a pot of 3.5 million euro to repay players

http://www.csbgroup.com/malta-news/i...cence-services

But most likely will be another lie , so the LGA HAS TREATED US (THE VICTIMS LIKE THE CRIMINALS ) THEY THINK THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW AND PONSE AROUND THE WORLD IN THERE SUITS TO GET MORE BUSINESS SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY

SO WHAT CAN WE DO HOW DO WE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE ?

1) IN EARY STAGES , WE PLAN TO HOLD A DEMONSTRATION AGAINST THE LGA IN LONDON ON 3-5 Feb LGA AT ICE2015 (hugh gaming venue lots of press ) also we can all get together after for some mtts hopefully we can get 100 players to attend http://www.icetotallygaming.com/contact-us

2) SEND A COMPLAINT TO EU PARIMENT (ONLY TAKES 10 MINS )
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutp...Petitions.html

3) CONTACT THE FOLLOWING
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier https://www.facebook.com/michelbarnier
GUY WHO PROMISES TO PUNISH GAMING AUTHORITIES WHO BREAK EU LAW AND TREATIES

https://twitter.com/Joecuschieri HEAD OF LGA


THE LGA IS A BUSINESS TURNING OVER 50 MILL EURO A YEAR FOR MALTEES GOV THEY ARE SCARED OF THE TRUTH COMING OUT AND LOOSING BUSINESS , IF YOUR OUT OF POCKET BY 50 EURO OR 50 000 EURO IT DOES NOT MATTER ,WE CAN STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS CORRUPT AUTHORITY AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

Thank you for this...Could tell same story, except that I have played first on everleaf network, then PLAY2B. Both licensed by LGA. I have dealt with LGA for a long time too. First with Mrs Frances Blenheim, who was in charge at the time when I sent a complain about cashout problems. After several emails and several weeks, I got my first answer that they have received my emails from Date1,2,3,5,6,7...and 10 and my case would be investigated. After that, I heard nothing for several weeks again, so I kept writing to them. After some months of getting (if I got a reply at all) always same answers, I decided to call her...man, I have to say, that to get in real contact with LGA is not that easy! But I am a patient guy, so after some calls I finally got on the phone speaking with the woman who was supposed to help players, when problems arised with some operators which have the nice LGA symbol on their website...I must admit she sounded very nicely on the phone, but in the end, after these nice 4-5 conversations on the phone without any great result besides that they are still in negotiations/communication with the persons responsible, I finally got a last email from her stating the following:

Dear ...,

I have copied the LGA Player Support Channel into this mail, I am no longer employed at LGA; Kevin O’Neill is now your contact person on the e-mail address in copy.

Kevin will respond to your enquiry and be your contact person at LGA.

Regards

Frances Blenheim

[end]

This was around the same time when LGA suspended the license from GOALGAMING Ltd, which seems to be a kind of the operating company in my case, as well (I still do not fully understand who is responsible for what, maybe someone of you knows the exact relation between them). Long story short, I haven't been paid for almost a year now, and at LGA the seats seem to change constantly, but the answers remain the same. Ironically, I not only haven't received any funds in question so far, but also spent some money and surely a lot of time in the hope that LGA could help. But maybe that is their true intention - keeping players hope alive as long as possible so that these criminals under their protection can suck out more and more from poker players who most often do not really get behind the curtains to see what's really going on there...

Besides, this new contact person Mr O'Neill told me in our last of 2 conversations on phone, that the LGA was still working on that case and that they had my "file" with all the details they would need from me and (maybe) some information on the case itself...I now wonder if they are obliged to send this file to me when I ask them to. But most probably I already know their answer to this: "we are not allowed to give any information as this case is still under investigation" or something like that...I am at a point now to realize that I will probably never see my money again, and I simply have not the time to investigate or the sufficient funds to pay some lawyers who try to figure out, who is who and where is "my" money and so on. I already invested to much in it. Thank you LGA, for nothing, but stealing my time and some money (phone bills for sure, and maybe some of my poker balance as well, who knows)...

UPDATE

I finally received a forwarded e-mail from Cesare originally written by his lawyer (or so it seems) stating the reference of an Arbitration case between Luckbox Enterprises Ltd and PIVGAME Ltd. There's not really much information but it does seem pretty formal ish..

I've also contacted Tim Heath via Facebook but his only response was that he's not at liberty to discuss details of the case with anyone (which seems to confirm that there is indeed a case) and that he suggests I contact the LGA and follow-up with them.

So at the very least, it seems pretty clear that there is a case that exists between PIV and Muchos and until it reaches some resolution, the situation is pretty stagnant.

I think it makes the most sense to continue momentum with the LGA and keep the ball rolling so that they're on their toes and they realize people are being pro-active regarding the situation. I've got my lawyer on hold at the moment before further action.

Thank you Sepholdem!

Can't necessarily be in London next year, but I took step 2 and 3. Hope it helps. Anything anyone can think of to put pressure on LGA, let us know!

Thanks skrotis , every little helps , the LGA want to keep the bad stuff quiet , they are a money making machine for the maltees Government , they will lie and cover up the truth , they keep swapping ceo and every time they make promises which never materialize , they have been investigating everleaf ltd for 3 years , (while its offices were feet away )

LGA needs exposed for the criminals that they are to the poker world . Hopefully the European court of justice will take action against malta and force there government to repay players which were supposedly under LGAs protection .

I believe that LGA board members actually had financial interests in everleaf,purple lounge ect .. and were part of the scam which undoubtedly they are currently running again with other poker networks ,, look at everleaf for example , they were allowed to run under LGAs licence for a full year taking in millions of euros in player deposits while not making any cashouts at all ? combined with 1000s of complaints to LGA during the year , and all the LGA say is "we could of acted quicker !!" REALLY , NO THEY DRAGGED AS MUCH CASH AS THEY COULD TO LINE THERE OWN POCKETS BEFORE THEY WERE FORCED TO SUSPEND EVERLEAFS LICENCE .

Thanks

A Call for Action Against Malta LGA Over Everleaf Debacle

LGA is a joke. I would never ever trust them. I hope some another European country starts to regulate online gambling too, so Maltese regulator would loose a lot of money. I have to admit they are worse regulator in a world.

Gibraltar is another European country which regulate online gaming.

Worse than Curacao?

Well, what is the difference between Curacao and LGA? Nothing, both don't answer your questions or try to help you. Both are in my eyes just getting money to the goverment without giving anything back to the players. LGA Charges like €7k a year + % of your profits if I remember right and think how many sites are out there...

As I have never heard anything negative about the Licensing Authority in Gibraltar, I suggest to play only on sites which are licensed there.

"The Licensing Authority will only consider licensing blue chip companies with a proven track record in gambling, licensed in a reputable jurisdiction, of good financial standing and with a realistic business plan. Licences are generally difficult to obtain. As at 1st September 2013 the licensed operators were as follows:" https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/remotegambling

If there are not enough interesting sites available, it would probably make sense to open one and promote it: "Look, we are licensed in Gibraltar, the only real gaming authority."

It is unacceptable at all, what all these so called "gaming authorities"( LGA Malta, Curacao Egaming, etc.) are doing!

Just one of GRA's many shortcomings

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews

Their head of regulation publicly stated that people who complained to GRA were bad losers and bonus abusers.

Any site offering gambling to UK residents will have to be regulated by the UKGC from October. So Gib and Malta will eventually lose a lot of their larger licensees. UK licensed firms will pay no gaming tax on foreign earnings, so there will be no point in double regulation.

Players in Sweden & Finland have to pay income taxes on online poker winnings unless they play on a site which is licensed by a licensing authority within the EU. Gibraltar and IOM are not part of the EU, so LGA in Malta has been the only choice. Even Pokerstars obtained an LGA license for their pokerstars.eu site for this purpose. Now that the UK will be issuing licenses, the LGA will become obsolete.

Agreed with you up to the last 5 words. LGA won't be obsolete because their gaming tax is 0.5% GGR, not 15% GPT in the UK. No way Rational dumps their LGA licenses and migrates Scandinavian players to a UKGC-licensed site.

The UK has been issuing licenses for years, same tax regime, same setup. Only thing that is changing is that now PS et al are forced to obtain a license if they wish to continue to serve the UK market.

Are the LGA worried about the proliferation of nationally regulated markets? Sure. But international operators will continue to operate whenever they can from malta/gib/iom etc whenever they can.

The Gib tax is 0.5% and capped at about half a million, plus the licencing costs of course. You say that they will not migrate to just a UKGC licence for say their scandi players but why shouldn't they? The UK would charge zero tax (levy) on them, they are just taxing UK resident player revenues so the 0.5%/half mill would not be due if they dropped the Gib licence or it's Malta one with a similar bill.

The UK tax (comes in 1st December) is fundamentally different , it is not on all player revenues, just UK ones so in terms of levy the cheapest tax you can get is to be UK licenced.

The corporate tax and income tax plus no VAT in Gib would still play. Not sure of Malta's corporate tax stuff but Stars is IoM.

This. Sites will need a UK license anyway if they wish to continue to serve UK players. The UK license will require 15% ggr tax on UK players and 0% on non-UK players. Sites can drop their LGA license and still be EU-licensed, for the sake of the Swedish & Finnish players. And they don't have to relocate to the UK - they can still operate from corporate tax havens like Gibraltar, Malta and IOM.

Except for sites that are too shady to get a UK license, of which LGA already has a full roster of and will continue to do so.
It will be a great way for knowledgeable players to base a reputation on these sites. Going forward, any sites regulated by the LGA in Malta should be considered shady.

Casinomeister has long had regulators as part of their scoring system, I might not agree with all the ratings, Kahnawake and Alderney are a tad high for my taste but hee is their rating

http://www.casinomeister.com/casino_ratings.php

LMAO @ Kahnawake
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