^^ x1000

While these threads are entertaining... everything surrounding this issue reeks of ego, pettiness, poor judgement, and unprofessional.

Of course it is. Not sure how this question made sense to you.

Stop and think about this for a second - do you actually believe it should be illegal to insult someone?

Yeah, that's very clear.

That's exactly why it isn't slander. Well, also because slander is spoken and libel is written, but the point remains the same.

Who is humesy?

Joey and Polk weaponizing their videos and social media is not a good look.
Joey has just got his white knight fingers burned attacking Will Kassouf in an effort to ingratiate himself with Sean Dweeb. Took Mrs Deeb to put him straight.
I guess this is what happens when you can't make money playing poker any more but your ego can't handle dropping down to the level where you can.
Of course maybe I'm wrong and Joey is killing it on the quiet but I'm sure if he was we'd all know about it.

It would be slanderous because he is presenting it as a factual statement. Jnandez as least presents his side clearly as a matter of his opinion, (if only to avoid the possibility of being sued). Do you think that if a journalist stated publicly the Donald Trump is an unethical business man, he wouldn’t sue in a heartbeat? If it had been proven in court that he had engaged in unethical practices then it would be fair to say but not beforehand.

These coaches are no joke, making quarter million is actually little surprising considering he's not a Tier 1 guy. Thought they'd make slightly less actually.

Guys like Sauce must be in the multi millions per year.

This wasn't clear from the Luke Schwartz videos?

(not saying that that wasn't hilarious)

I don't know how much I would consider either side using their social media outlets to be wrong here. Seems like its normal for poker dealings to get aired out in this fashion. I feel like anything less than this type of response for Upswing/Doug, you could argue may be worse. This doesn't really make anyone a bad person though. Lots of confusion and hurt feelings.

The Amazon story is kind of funny to me because I'm pretty sure I know who his coach was. It was either Evan Walton or Benji Wilson from Freedom Formula. They used to have a youtube series documenting how to sell scratch off world maps on Amazon using the FBA program. They also have an expensive Amazon Masterclass course that cost like $1,000 - something I wouldn't pay when I was looking into selling on Amazon. Anyways, not really relevant to all the drama but thought it was funny it came up in the video.

Jnandez got paid nearly a quarter million.

Wait you may or may not have had private information? Come on Doug. You're doing the same thing Fernando is doing. Just say it. I had private information. Or don't say it. None of that I could be making it up, I may or not have had bull****

It's kinda funny cuz it's analogous to kids throwing rocks at each other when they have a dispute. This is why people who have power in the business world try and hire mature people instead of jacked up egos like we have in poker.

6:00 - Doug references refunds & suggests JNandez needs to pay back money he's already been paid to cover this (75k).

Am I following this correctly? That seems absurd. JNandez produces the product but customers bought the product off Upswing & its their obligation & cover refunds. He's just a guy who worked for them, & considering he apparently gave his legally obligated 3month notice, it's not like a breach contract took place.

Also, one reason stated for demanding said refunds is that they "couldnt stand to look at Fernando anymore". This sounds bizarre, but if true, is likely true in no small part due to the character assassination that took place from those at Upswing. Irony alert

Yeah this is literally happening on a daily basis, he would sue if he had a chance of winning or settling favorably. In your world, CNN could also sue back for being called 'fake news'. You could also sue me if I were to call you a poopoohead and every second person on this planet would be a lawyer.

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I had trouble making it far into the series because his accent was so thick I couldn't understand anything he said, and I speak Spanish. I jumped around a bunch hoping I could find something good and didn't.

It was sub-AV club level production values.

Compare jnandez who's constantly producing poker related educational/entertainment content and Polk who seems super oi poker and just streams a dead game now. Obviously Doug can stream whatever he wants and I don't blame him for not wanting to play nl50 on wsop but you'd think he cares about his audience+growing it.

Just think....if BTC were still over 10k none of this would be happening.

What happened is that when Fernando quit, a large amount of annual and semi-annual subscribers refunded their purchases since they would not longer get any new material. Getting new material throughout the year is why you buy a whole 1year, so when the coach (JNandez) leaves, you as a customer ask for a refund. This means that a large amount of what would have been revenue (all the 1 year and half year subs) and given JNandez a big paycheck, dissappears. This is the money JNandez feels like he was left out of, when him leaving was the reason why there suddenly was a massive spike in refunds and thus very little revenue to pay out to him at the end. Very little for that specific time period, that is.

No, Polk does not say that Fernando needs to pay back $75k. 75k is the total amount that was refunded to customers due to JNandez leaving at that point.

From what I understand

Polk explained all the maths in his video.... he subtracted 25% off the 75k (after the affliate amount) and then took that final amount off what they gave to Jnandez.

edit: Just want to say there are a lot of negative comments in this thread about how even though Doug has cleared everything up, it makes him look bad. I completely disagree with this - I mean, he didn't want to air this out publicly but he was backed into a corner because of Jnandez false allegation. His choices were to either sue Jnandez (where he would have to stay quiet and it would cast doubt over his business) or put out a video to clear his name of wrong-doing.

Agree very much with all of this.

Is Doug Polk and his mob buying RIO urls good for poker?

Domain name sorry, not url. TY ikiidokii

It's Domain Name not URL.

wow

i found that new business venture that nandez is allegedly ripping off

I have not seen Doud answer this. I think their affiliates did have to, as that is what Joey said/showed in the other thread. This would mean that the math in Dougs vid is off, and Jnandez is still owed money. Maybe not even close to 90k, but Jnandez point of not being paid what was owed would be valid.


Up for debate, but his content based on solvers is the best available anywhere imo.

Polk antagonizing another poker player. Gee, who would have thunk?

You know Polk, JNandez was willing to let this die but your OCD anal ass attitude had to do that recent video making fun of him. Attacking him. So you pissed him off and now he dishing the dirt.

Geez who the hell would even consider Upswing poker. That thing will die on the vine. Polky has already lost interest with poker just like he did with cryptocurrency. smh

Nandez seems like a class act to me. What does he gain by speaking the truth about how he didn't get what the contract called for, other than outing a greedy scumbag with no humility?

He's a crusher at what he does and seems like a genuinely great person in my eyes. It'll continue that way I assume also.

Also, why jump over a dollar to get to a nickel? Owners making threats about ruining Nandez? You have to be kidding me. Polk is gonna get red-headed just like that Jason Ho character from back in the day...

Funny to see the 2p2 higher ups come out and defend the people that are paying for advertising on here. Massive surprise. But heyy doug no publicity is bad publicity. Well played