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Old 02-03-2009, 02:27 AM   #201
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Thread needs more talk about Troy Gamble and less talk about leatherass imo

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Old 02-03-2009, 03:40 AM   #202
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Old 02-03-2009, 04:06 AM   #203
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Almost every poster (including the last two for sure, I'm not looking through the whole thread) that defends LA is some random, <100 post guy who signed up just bc they love LA, read LA's blog, or happen to actually be an LA gimmick account.

Almost every poster who is ripping him for his poor self-awareness and 'place' in the poker economy is a highly respected player who made 6 or 7 figures in 2008 (see: aejones, skier, etc.).

Are you people delusional?
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Old 02-03-2009, 04:20 AM   #204
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

leatherass if you cant stand grinding small edges for profit why dont you cut down the amount of tables you play cutting down youre variance and raising youre bb's...sure you will be making less but you will have peace of mind and money so whatever ...
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Old 02-03-2009, 04:53 AM   #205
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Leatherass- the best advice I can give you is to stop taking yourself so seriously. It’s hard not to sound a little hypocritical in explaining why we all hate you. Maybe it’s a bit of jealousy? No, it’s because you act like a complete tool.

Now you can play the role of the innocent victim who never has done anything wrong.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:22 AM   #206
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Almost every poster (including the last two for sure, I'm not looking through the whole thread) that defends LA is some random, <100 post guy who signed up just bc they love LA, read LA's blog, or happen to actually be an LA gimmick account.

Almost every poster who is ripping him for his poor self-awareness and 'place' in the poker economy is a highly respected player who made 6 or 7 figures in 2008 (see: aejones, skier, etc.).

Are you people delusional?
The more posts you have, the better your poker results (LOL) Brilliant, and your a 21 yr old prodigy?
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:23 AM   #207
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funny that game selectors are the new shortstackers. u guys are just hypocrites.
jesus thank you.

the sentiments of triumph and skier are just infuriatingly bad. im sure they dont sit in games where they are dogs. and its even more lol to compare la to cts adn the other 5 best online nl playersi n the world.

ffs, everyone on the internet is either a bumhunter or a fish.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:30 AM   #208
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let me put this into a different perspective to elaborate on what triumpth said. the higher you go the less tables there are. often at 25/50 (and higher especially) there aren't many games. Occasionally a fish sits and all of a sudden the table and waitlist explode with people who never play these stakes. Now I may play with a lot of these regulars and i obviously think i have an edge on some of them. if they win the fish's money then it stays in the 25/50 economy, but if one of these bumhunters (be it someone taking a shot, or someone who only plays in good games) wins the money it's likely i'll never see it again and it's removed from the 25/50 economy completely. Not to mention that one of these bumhunters might get a seat or hop on the waitlist before me and cause me to miss the gravy in my regular games. Imagine, if there were no 25/50 games going, then these fish might sit at 5/10 or 10/20 and there's less money for everyone. i mean there's nothing wrong with it at all. of course I try to sit in the best games possible, but i don't think there's anything wrong with hating the people that leach off your "economy" AND then act like the best regular at that limit.

edit: obv im a leech on the economy too, but i help keep it runnig
so much wrong with this post.

umm, you even say in the first line that you think you have an edge on the ppl you play agasint. seems like bumhunting to me.

as for the alleged "bumhunters" sitting when a fish sits, well, no, sorry the money doesnt leave the economy bc if those dudes win they will be back nexgt time. mebbe it take a few days or months before they get a seat, but they will be back. and hell, they may just start sitting regularly, like aejones, or cts, or townsend or galfond or gasp you skier.

oh ya, how about that. years ago you were a shot taker and ran hot and now you play and win those stakes. so did a bunch of other super talented players. now, you lament that other players arent as good as you. your whole argument is a joke. you think that just bc you have been playing high stakes longer and have a bigger roll you deserve any fish thats sits completely to yourself. you forget the way you got to those stakes.

your self righteousness and entitlement syndrome is worse than leatherass at his worst.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:47 AM   #209
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so much wrong with this post.

umm, you even say in the first line that you think you have an edge on the ppl you play agasint. seems like bumhunting to me.
dude durrr is like the sickest bumhunter amirite
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:53 AM   #210
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dude durrr is like the sickest bumhunter amirite
well, he wont play phil galfond.

but he plays ivey and antonius.

seems like clear bumhunting to me.
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:30 AM   #211
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yeah because he is hunting bumbs playing 2 of the best players in the world. you are an idiot.

btw, leatherass... i'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't swear at me in the chat and would say something nice such as.... hello or how are you?

manners sir, please work on your manners.

also, agree w/ skier, jones, acer9, etc etc etc
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:39 AM   #212
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

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jesus thank you.

the sentiments of triumph and skier are just infuriatingly bad. im sure they dont sit in games where they are dogs. and its even more lol to compare la to cts adn the other 5 best online nl playersi n the world.

ffs, everyone on the internet is either a bumhunter or a fish.
huh, isn't "best 5/10-25/50 player" or being able to study and BLOW every other reg's winrate out of the water reasonable grounds to compare him to some of the top regs? last i checked, cts has been playing an awful lot of 25/50 lately.

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so much wrong with this post.

umm, you even say in the first line that you think you have an edge on the ppl you play agasint. seems like bumhunting to me.

as for the alleged "bumhunters" sitting when a fish sits, well, no, sorry the money doesnt leave the economy bc if those dudes win they will be back nexgt time. mebbe it take a few days or months before they get a seat, but they will be back. and hell, they may just start sitting regularly, like aejones, or cts, or townsend or galfond or gasp you skier.

oh ya, how about that. years ago you were a shot taker and ran hot and now you play and win those stakes. so did a bunch of other super talented players. now, you lament that other players arent as good as you. your whole argument is a joke. you think that just bc you have been playing high stakes longer and have a bigger roll you deserve any fish thats sits completely to yourself. you forget the way you got to those stakes.

your self righteousness and entitlement syndrome is worse than leatherass at his worst.
geez, thanks for just taking this post and quoting it without considering what i wrote later. specifically where i correct myself and say that i don't give a **** about bumhunting. ok. to dig myself out of this hole i made with that post I AM A BUNMHUNTER. I HAVE MONEY ON MULTIPLE SITES AND I MAKE SURE TO SIT IN GAMES I HAVE AN EDGE IN. now all i gotta do is avoid all games without megadroolers and clean mbolt's ******* and you can call me leatherass.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:07 AM   #213
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o how the mighty have fallen
clueless as usual. ive always maintained how ******ed it is to hate on shortstackers and its the same with hating on "bumhunters". i have almost never denied anyone action, been very fussy with game selection, bought in for less than max or went south in my life ever, and i still dont do any of those things, so i havent fallen anywhere.

its the same stupid double standard as with the whole shortstacker discussion years ago - u guys are just pissed cause ppl are not adhering to ur arbitrary moronic high stakes samurai code of honor, when in reality there really is no difference between u and Imsakidd at all. only difference is u guys are trying to shame ppl into giving up EV by telling them they are behaving unethically. ur just full of ****.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:13 AM   #214
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

ok one more thing, im just trying to paint a picture of WHY someone might hate on LA... the regulars that don't bumhunt to the EXTREME (you can argue that everyone bumhunts to some extent, but good luck arguing that most people do it in anywhere near the capacity LA does) experience all the volatility and risk of keeping a game available then guys like LA just come in and try to steal the gravy on top. it's irritating. especially when said person does all this AND isn't willing to keep playing while the fish takes a piss and has a smoke. wouldn't we all rather have someone in the game that lessens the chance of the fish feeling like he's the target and quitting? Do i deserve all the fish? no of course not. Would I like the fish? ldo.

ps. luego, i enjoy playing poker, but i do not enjoy some clown shoving over my opens with 20bb. i hate on them simply because i dont enjoy playing with them.

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Old 02-03-2009, 07:13 AM   #215
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

So many poker players think they run really bad.

Its stupid, you gamble for a living, then complain about being unlucky?? You sir are gambling, you run the risk of being unlucky.

Yeah obv its a skill game etc.. im not saying otherwise, im just saying dont play a card game for money if youre going to complain when u dont win.

Anyways

What kind of young guy uses quotes like that to defend himself, smug mofo
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:15 AM   #216
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

but fwiw i dont care about bumhunters, i dont care about shortstackers. I am neither, i just open the first 16 tables i can get on.

Its all about how much $$ we win

who cares whos the best, best reg etc.. its all about the $$$ although saying that not if you dont have a life quality to match it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:26 AM   #217
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ok one more thing, im just trying to paint a picture of WHY someone might hate on LA... the regulars that don't bumhunt to the EXTREME (you can argue that everyone bumhunts to some extent, but good luck arguing that most people do it in anywhere near the capacity LA does) experience all the volatility and risk of keeping a game available then guys like LA just come in and try to steal the gravy on top. it's irritating. especially when said person does all this AND isn't willing to keep playing while the fish takes a piss and has a smoke. wouldn't we all rather have someone in the game that lessens the chance of the fish feeling like he's the target and quitting? Do i deserve all the fish? no of course not. Would I like the fish? ldo.

ps. luego, i enjoy playing poker, but i do not enjoy some clown shoving over my opens with 20bb. i hate on them simply because i dont enjoy playing with them.
ugh. its basically just boiling down to the point of "game selection is OK but only to the degree that i myself am doing it". u have to see how irrational it is. like, i understand that u ***** about it cause you lose enjoyment out of it, but thats not really the same as bitching about it cause its "unethical", which seems to be peoples main objection to shortstacking and bumhunting.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:37 AM   #218
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

I honestly can't stand him and this isn't a conclusion I've recently latched on to. I've also spoke to other poker buddies and they feel the same way.

This has nothing to do with the money he earns or jealousy. I can't think of one other HS winner who I feel about in this way.

I cancelled my Stox subscription because I couldn't allow myself to line his pocket. Granted, I may be cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I'm much happier at DC.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:37 AM   #219
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ugh. its basically just boiling down to the point of "game selection is OK but only to the degree that i myself am doing it". u have to see how irrational it is. like, i understand that u ***** about it cause you lose enjoyment out of it, but thats not really the same as bitching about it cause its "unethical", which seems to be peoples main objection to shortstacking and bumhunting.
I'm not really hating on the bumhunting or game selecting no matter to what degree, just trying to explain HOW AND WHY some of the regulars MIGHT get irritated by it. i do agree that it is somewhat of an irrational irritation since if LA or some other bumhunter doesn't sit then someone else will who could well be a tougher player. i feel like i maintained it, but my biggest issues are things like the sitting out and doing stuff like coming on 2+2 and talking about how much he wins and how he's better than everyone when the games he sits in are 3x easier on a regular basis.

maybe i'm an irrational person but say i have a party every weekend. every other weekend the local beer company chips in and provides as much free beer as i need. this guy i barely know only comes when there's free beer. this wouldn't piss you off a little? you wouldn't feel used? because it would sure as **** bother me.

also, if you really wanna get into this discussion, what are your thoughts on ratholing. not shortstacking, but ratholing.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:39 AM   #220
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heh, i try my best not to sit out, but when it's 40knl and the fish and 2 other shot takers sit out leaving me 3 handed with urindanger and durrr (or someone else super comfortable with the $$$), sorry, but i'm sitting out.

one specific example is when the whole table is shot taking save a couple people and the fish sits out and everyone but one other player who you feel has a good edge on you hu sit out. wtf do you do then? why is it your responsibility to keep the game running? but at the same time if you sit out you risk the fish leaving (they actually dont leave that often), but it's courteous to keep the game running and it's those kind of situations that probably piss people off.
lol skier you are doing the exact same thing at nl40k as LA at 5k. Funny as hell.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:49 AM   #221
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maybe i'm an irrational person but say i have a party every weekend. every other weekend the local beer company chips in and provides as much free beer as i need. this guy i barely know only comes when there's free beer. this wouldn't piss you off a little? you wouldn't feel used? because it would sure as **** bother me.

I bet PA Durr etc think it's cool that you skier decide to play 100k only when laliberte or some other fish sits in.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:04 AM   #222
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I'm not really hating on the bumhunting or game selecting no matter to what degree, just trying to explain HOW AND WHY some of the regulars MIGHT get irritated by it. i do agree that it is somewhat of an irrational irritation since if LA or some other bumhunter doesn't sit then someone else will who could well be a tougher player. i feel like i maintained it, but my biggest issues are things like the sitting out and doing stuff like coming on 2+2 and talking about how much he wins and how he's better than everyone when the games he sits in are 3x easier on a regular basis.

maybe i'm an irrational person but say i have a party every weekend. every other weekend the local beer company chips in and provides as much free beer as i need. this guy i barely know only comes when there's free beer. this wouldn't piss you off a little? you wouldn't feel used? because it would sure as **** bother me.

also, if you really wanna get into this discussion, what are your thoughts on ratholing. not shortstacking, but ratholing.
skier, u are not the one hosting the party... better analogy would be, if there was a club downtown every week, and every other week the beer was free. leatherass only comes down when the beer is free. i mean YOU have the choice of only coming when theres free beer too, but apparently u feel that the other weeks, while not AS high in value, have enough value to make it worth your while. leatherass apparently doesnt find those weeks to be high enough in value. cant see how u are the better person here.

ratholing should be dissalowed but as long as it isnt, there is nothing wrong with doing it. simple.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:06 AM   #223
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I cancelled my Stox subscription because I couldn't allow myself to line his pocket. Granted, I may be cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I'm much happier at DC.
This is the only reason this thread even exists.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:31 AM   #224
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Skier you are a smart guy and I think it is pretty pointless to continue this discussion with victor/luego. Our argument does not look that good on paper. Yet, there is still reason that most people in this thread dislike leather...

Let the LA fans be happy and live on.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:37 AM   #225
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skier, u are not the one hosting the party... better analogy would be, if there was a club downtown every week, and every other week the beer was free. leatherass only comes down when the beer is free. i mean YOU have the choice of only coming when theres free beer too, but apparently u feel that the other weeks, while not AS high in value, have enough value to make it worth your while. leatherass apparently doesnt find those weeks to be high enough in value. cant see how u are the better person here.
For this analogy to be accurate, you'd have to add that the club would cut down on or stop serving free beer if people stopped coming on the weeks where they'd charge for the beer and only show up when it was free.
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