i suppose it's okay, ban lederer at least

so the "problem" with him isn't that he stole tens of millions of dollars, it's that he thinks he knows everything... stealing tens of millions of dollars was just a mistake caused by his inexperience as a businessman

he should be hanged, fitting way for a crook to die, it's impossible to understand just how big of a crime that is, stealing that much money, some people might have actually killed themselves or gotten themselves or their family into impossible situations by suddenly having a large part of their net worth go poof

Why the heck did I see the name Justin Bonomo mentioned among cheaters according to Kid Poker?

What did Justin Bonomo do that has him listed as an online cheater according to D Neg?

yea whats up with that? **** daniel negranu

I suggest you research your idol's past.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=4856097

Edit: From the above thread, this is a wonderful quote.

How wrong can anyone possibly be???

What Russ Hamilton and Mansour Matloubi are alleged to have done is what any of these so-called pros would have done given the chance. Whoever lost money to the hole card scam just got hustled, the same way as poker players have been hustled/cheated ever since Mississippi steamboat times.

RE: Ferguson (per Haralabos)...

FTP management/ownership shouldnt be allowed to wsop at least until all players are paid back at the very least.

2p2er JoeTall's response to Bob's tweet:

@haralabob @RealKidPoker Haralabos, Assume you are being sarcastic, as Ferguson did the opposite? http://www.subjectpoker.com/2012/01/...bank-accounts/

daniel wouldve done the same same...when he was a kid trying to hang at binions and the thieves didnt include Danny in their reindeer games ,he was sad and felt left out. imho

No, that's stupid. A ban is for actual cheaters and criminals. If you wanted to ban everyone who didn't pay back on their loans the list would be dozens long.

What is the source that Matloubi cheated? I saw this mentioned once in a 2p2 thread (by Barry Greenstein I believe) and nobody seemed to react to his posting that and I did a web search and it didn't turn up much except that he was involved in developing the software. Any links?

sounds like ferguson and lederer paid him off to post this

I wouldn't be surprised if poker cheats get barred from the poker room they were caught in and never end up on that list.

Seriously. Ban Daniel from blogging.

It just was a way different game back then. Multi-accounting was just way less of a big deal because people weren't so good that many would dodge action from others. Everyone was playing everyone and most people didn't really have much of a clue what they were doing. Obviously multiple entrants into the same tournament was always considered bad, but playing multiple accounts just was only frowned upon. It wasn't such an advantage back then because like I said, people weren't that good anyways (and everyone was winning so much that no one really cared a whole lot).

I don't condone multi accounting at all and think it's definitely cheating today though. Wanted to make that clear.

Thanks for making that clear. I really thought you were an utter fool until your last line.

I'm all for banning proven cheaters who knowingly cheated at the table. Men Nguyen, Mansour Matloubi and Russ Hamilton fall into this category.

I don't think we can move beyond that into banning people of bad moral character or anything because where do you draw the line etc. with failed business ventures, people who don't pay back loans, felons etc.

If they're proven guilty of cheating at poker though they're a danger to the game integrity by default so gtfo

LOL
However, I will read and comment upon all threads concerning him instead of ignoring said threads which is what a person, who claims to not "care what Daniel thinks", would do.
LOL

What the WSOP needs is some kind of 'ethics committee', made up of lovely, well trusted poker players.
That would be epic.

who decides who should be banned? does the crime have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt? what type of crime? perhaps all the senior members of FTP + all those who fleeced the company should be included... how about UB crooks? where does PH and Annie fall? how about the other super idiots at UB?

Deciding on this issue is nearly impossible...I think it will be players pressuring, pestering and making the cheating players uncomfortable at the tables will force them not to show up.

Tottally agree with this line of thought, we the players control their fates by making them beyond uncomfortable

Agreed. If we banned everyone who had questionable moral character the only players left would be Barry Greenstein and the guy who plays with his feet.

daniel's point is mainly, we can't get rid of every scumbag, it's impossible to enforce b/c there's more of them than everyone else.
multiaccounting in the same tournament is basically men the master if he went online.

I think he's wrong though regarding the site people; the full tilt group cheated at poker worse than anyone else ever has, they claimed there was money on the table! (when there wasn't). I don't understand the distinction between someone cheating with respect to the card and with respect to the chips.

(I do agree that borrowing disputes or most other stuff is not poker's problem, that's between what they owe and who they owe but if we're basing it off integrity of the game I don't see a difference)

It is absolutely insulting when daniel says the FT main guys never cheated anyone at the poker table when we were all cheated at the poker table on that site.