its a value shove imo.. thin value, or quadruple range merging

Bro, you grind 1.5$ SNGs. If you want to bet what someone like WCG thinks about this hand, im happy to do it.

Someone should really steak Viktor in the WSOP. I think he could crush.

We'll never know the reasons because we don't know the dynamic. I think this is often forgotten when ppl comment on hands, especially those who are overly sure (not you but others). This leads to dumb arguments.

Maybe muum 3bets all suited aces? Maybe fast had a timing read. Maybe they even have an insane river 3betting dynamic and this is for value (extremely unlikely but just saying it to make a point). We'll never know for sure.

About having better bluff hands in his range: This isn't a common spot so I don't think it's quite as important as say a flop c/r range to consider this. Plus the aim isn't simply to be as balanced as possible all the time but to find opportunities to be maximally exploitative. Perhaps fast is trying to exploit muum's river raising range by being imbalanced.

Value raise imo.

some crazy swede was just lighting money on fire at 5knl

And EATITPAL battles HU upto 5knl

If mum 3bets all suited aces then fast's play becomes worse because medicore flushes are now top of mumms range already, so almost no better hand would fold. Of course youre right, we dont know the dynamics. Since this is such an ambivalent play we should assume it is "maximally exploitive" in some way but it seems insane both for value and as a bluff. I guess fast simply fuked up

EATITPAL is being sarcastic. Fast is never expecting flush to fold so obv its for value..

His eyes were tired and he didnt see the flush possibility

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $6632.25 (133 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $13356.75 (267 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) 4-bets to $750, Isildur1 (BB) 5-bets to $2250, pokersato123 (BU) calls $1500

Flop: ($4500) 7 4 Q (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $4499.50, pokersato123 (BU) calls $4382.25 (all-in)

Turn: ($13264.50) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($13264.50) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $13264.50 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BB) shows K K A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - pre: 68%, flop: 62%, turn: 53%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 3 9 T Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
(Equity - pre: 32%, flop: 38%, turn: 48%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $13264

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $12139.38 (243 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $7848.62 (157 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) calls $300

Flop: ($900) 9 7 8 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, pokersato123 (BU) checks

Turn: ($900) Q (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $650, pokersato123 (BU) raises to $2849.50, Isildur1 (BB) calls $2199.50

River: ($6599) 2 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, pokersato123 (BU) bets $6598.50, Isildur1 (BB) folds

Total pot: $6599 (Rake: $0.50)

pokersato123 (BU) collects $6598.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $14537.88 (291 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $5923.50 (118 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, Isildur1 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 7 J Q (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, pokersato123 (BU) bets $2699.50, Isildur1 (BB) raises to $4573.50 (all-in), pokersato123 (BU) calls $1874

Turn: ($11847) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($11847) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11847 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BB) shows 7 9 T A (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - pre: 52%, flop: 31%, turn: 75%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 8 T Q K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - pre: 48%, flop: 69%, turn: 25%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $11846.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $5000 (100 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $25033.38 (501 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) 5-bets to $4050, Isildur1 (BU) calls $2700

Flop: ($8100) 4 4 6 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) bets $6074.62, Isildur1 (BU) calls $950 (all-in)

Turn: ($10000) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10000) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10000 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
pokersato123 (BB) shows 8 T A A (two pair, Aces and Fours)
(Equity - pre: 70%, flop: 62%, turn: 8%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 T Q A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 30%, flop: 38%, turn: 93%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $9999.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $21432.88 (429 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $8599.50 (172 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) calls $300

Flop: ($900) K 7 5 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $650, pokersato123 (BU) raises to $2275, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $7724.50, pokersato123 (BU) 4-bets to $13175, Isildur1 (BB) calls $425 (all-in)

Turn: ($17199) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($17199) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $17199 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BB) shows T Q Q K (two pair, Kings and Fives)
(Equity - pre: 61%, flop: 40%, turn: 38%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 6 7 7 A (a full house, Sevens full of Fives)
(Equity - pre: 39%, flop: 60%, turn: 63%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $17198.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $5000 (100 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $30356.38 (607 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) calls $300

Flop: ($900) Q T 7 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $450, pokersato123 (BB) calls $450

Turn: ($1800) 4 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $1050, pokersato123 (BB) calls $1050

River: ($3900) 6 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $3050 (all-in), pokersato123 (BB) calls $3050

Total pot: $10000 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BU) shows 4 5 J A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 46%, flop: 58%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BB) shows 6 8 8 T (a flush, Queen high)
(Equity - pre: 54%, flop: 42%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $9999.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $8953.40 (179 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $26397.98 (528 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 4 2 T (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $1650, pokersato123 (BB) raises to $7649.50, Isildur1 (BU) calls $5953.40 (all-in)

First Turn: ($17906.80) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($17906.80) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($17906.80) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($17906.80) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $17906.80 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: 4 2 T A 7

pokersato123 (BB) shows 2 4 5 A (two pair, Aces and Fours)
(Equity - pre: 45%, flop: 60%, turn: 95%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 8 9 T K (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - pre: 55%, flop: 40%, turn: 5%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $8953.15

Second Showdown: Board: 4 2 T 7 5

pokersato123 (BB) shows 2 4 5 A (two pair, Fives and Fours)
(Equity - pre: 45%, flop: 60%, turn: 45%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 8 9 T K (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - pre: 55%, flop: 40%, turn: 55%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $8953.15

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $7097.25 (142 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $33247.63 (665 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 9 T T (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $1350, pokersato123 (BB) raises to $6749.50, Isildur1 (BU) calls $4397.25 (all-in)

First Turn: ($14194.50) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($14194.50) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($14194.50) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($14194.50) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14194.50 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: 9 T T 4 5

pokersato123 (BB) shows 3 4 5 T (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
(Equity - pre: 35%, flop: 48%, turn: 93%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 7 8 J J (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Equity - pre: 65%, flop: 52%, turn: 8%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $7097

Second Showdown: Board: 9 T T 5 Q

pokersato123 (BB) shows 3 4 5 T (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
(Equity - pre: 35%, flop: 48%, turn: 93%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 7 8 J J (a flush, Queen high)
(Equity - pre: 65%, flop: 52%, turn: 8%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $7097

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $5094.35 (102 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $41122.53 (822 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 4 J Q (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) bets $2699.50, Isildur1 (BU) raises to $3744.35 (all-in), pokersato123 (BB) calls $1044.85

First Turn: ($10188.70) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($10188.70) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($10188.70) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($10188.70) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10188.70 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: 4 J Q 3 5

pokersato123 (BB) shows 5 6 7 8 (a straight, Three to Seven)
(Equity - pre: 41%, flop: 45%, turn: 48%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 8 T J (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
(Equity - pre: 59%, flop: 55%, turn: 53%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $5094.10

Second Showdown: Board: 4 J Q 4 K

pokersato123 (BB) shows 5 6 7 8 (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - pre: 41%, flop: 45%, turn: 23%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 8 T J (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Equity - pre: 59%, flop: 55%, turn: 78%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $5094.10

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $43644.53 (873 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $5000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $125, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $375, pokersato123 (BU) calls $250

Flop: ($750) A Q 5 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $450, pokersato123 (BU) calls $450

Turn: ($1650) 8 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $1050, pokersato123 (BU) calls $1050

River: ($3750) 9 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $3125 (all-in), pokersato123 (BU) calls $3125

Total pot: $10000 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BB) shows 7 8 9 K (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 61%, flop: 56%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 5 6 7 J (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)
(Equity - pre: 39%, flop: 44%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BB) wins $9999.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $5629.92 (113 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $43012.61 (860 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) 5-bets to $4050, Isildur1 (BU) calls $2700

Flop: ($8100) 8 3 2 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) bets $8099.50, Isildur1 (BU) calls $1579.92 (all-in)

First Turn: ($11259.84) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($11259.84) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($11259.84) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($11259.84) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11259.84 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: 8 3 2 2 3

pokersato123 (BB) shows 7 J Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
(Equity - pre: 60%, flop: 41%, turn: 58%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 6 T Q (three of a kind, Threes)
(Equity - pre: 40%, flop: 59%, turn: 43%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $5629.67

Second Showdown: Board: 8 3 2 7 T

pokersato123 (BB) shows 7 J Q Q (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - pre: 60%, flop: 41%, turn: 58%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 6 T Q (two pair, Tens and Threes)
(Equity - pre: 40%, flop: 59%, turn: 43%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $5629.67

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $5000 (100 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $7717.85 (154 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 2 J Q (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) bets $2699.50, Isildur1 (BU) raises to $3650 (all-in), pokersato123 (BB) calls $950.50

Turn: ($10000) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10000) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10000 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
pokersato123 (BB) shows 5 6 8 9 (a flush, Queen high)
(Equity - pre: 45%, flop: 57%, turn: 80%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 2 8 T A (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 55%, flop: 43%, turn: 20%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $9999.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $16199.34 (324 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $5149.50 (103 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, Isildur1 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 4 A 2 (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) checks, pokersato123 (BU) bets $2024.62, Isildur1 (BB) raises to $3799.50 (all-in), pokersato123 (BU) calls $1774.88

Turn: ($10299) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10299) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10299 (Rake: $0.50)

Showdown:
Isildur1 (BB) shows 7 7 8 K (two pair, Sevens and Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 46%, flop: 45%, turn: 23%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 3 Q Q A (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 54%, flop: 55%, turn: 78%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $10298.50

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $4120.68 (82 bb)
pokersato123 (BB): $22556.69 (451 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $150, pokersato123 (BB) 3-bets to $450, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $1350, pokersato123 (BB) calls $900

Flop: ($2700) 4 9 8 (2 players)
pokersato123 (BB) bets $2699.50, Isildur1 (BU) raises to $2770.68 (all-in), pokersato123 (BB) calls $71.18

First Turn: ($8241.36) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($8241.36) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($8241.36) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($8241.36) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8241.36 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: 4 9 8 7 4

pokersato123 (BB) shows 5 6 J A (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - pre: 49%, flop: 37%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 8 K K (two pair, Kings and Fours)
(Equity - pre: 51%, flop: 63%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BB) wins $4120.43

Second Showdown: Board: 4 9 8 3 K

pokersato123 (BB) shows 5 6 J A (high card Ace)
(Equity - pre: 49%, flop: 37%, turn: 20%, river: 0%)

Isildur1 (BU) shows 3 8 K K (three of a kind, Kings)
(Equity - pre: 51%, flop: 63%, turn: 80%, river: 100%)

Isildur1 (BU) wins $4120.43

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

pokersato123 (BU): $22630.94 (453 bb)
Isildur1 (BB): $4045.43 (81 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
pokersato123 (BU) raises to $150, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $450, pokersato123 (BU) calls $300

Flop: ($900) T K A (2 players)
Isildur1 (BB) bets $650, pokersato123 (BU) raises to $2849.50, Isildur1 (BB) 3-bets to $3595.43 (all-in), pokersato123 (BU) calls $745.93

First Turn: ($8090.86) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($8090.86) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($8090.86) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($8090.86) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8090.86 (Rake: $0.50)

First Showdown: Board: T K A J 2

Isildur1 (BB) shows 3 J Q Q (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - pre: 62%, flop: 62%, turn: 78%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 4 5 9 J (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 38%, flop: 38%, turn: 23%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $4045.18

Second Showdown: Board: T K A 5 7

Isildur1 (BB) shows 3 J Q Q (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - pre: 62%, flop: 62%, turn: 78%, river: 0%)

pokersato123 (BU) shows 4 5 9 J (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 38%, flop: 38%, turn: 23%, river: 100%)

pokersato123 (BU) wins $4045.18