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Jonathan Little fired by FTP Jonathan Little fired by FTP

03-04-2008 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JP OSU
lol, eric wright totally hosed him



after he hosed himself, that is...
03-04-2008 , 04:26 PM
do the ft pros get 100% rb???

that is pretty significant.

what about the stars pros? and more fpps or anything like that for being a site pro?
03-04-2008 , 04:30 PM
You gotta be a ****ing moron (and a greedy one at that) be a rookie Red Pro and lend your account out.
03-04-2008 , 04:36 PM
He probably figured with so many other players lending their accounts out that it would'nt be an issue. Obviously this really blows for him considering he played a really high volume of sit n go's and 100% rakeback is obviously a huge advantage. He did break the rules though, but to bad they would'nt go near any of their big name players for this.
03-04-2008 , 04:38 PM
He should've told his buddies not to use his account while he was playing in the HU championship.

"Dude, Jonathon Little is playing 5/10 NL on Full Tilt."

"No way. I just on cardplayer that he schooled Eric Seidel and Greg Raymer. They let him use his laptop while playing Heads Up live?"
03-04-2008 , 04:39 PM
oh so only if you're a rookie red pro?

FTP is the king of inconsistency in the online poker world
03-04-2008 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gobboboy
This is pretty damn ridiculous considering it's been confirmed that other red pros lend out their account. When Matusow is in my line of sight but playing on FTP at the same time, there's 0 chance this is happening.
This seems like Matusow's and/or FTP's problem. If it bothers you so much, drop a dime. In the meantime, do you really think they should let Little keep his job if he's flagrantly, obviously abusing his privileges and basically cheating his employer?

Fiery Justice imo.
03-04-2008 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DonQeeHotay
oh so only if you're a rookie red pro?

FTP is the king of inconsistency in the online poker world
Correct, I usually wait until I've had a job at least six months before I even consider stealing from my employer.
03-04-2008 , 04:46 PM
I'd like to hear Jon's side of the story, but it indeed seems very unprofessional. However, agree with the sentiment about FT being wildly inconsistent. It is very well known that Matusow has lent out his account, but I guess he has more PR value than FieryJustice.
03-04-2008 , 04:46 PM
Shane is wise...
03-04-2008 , 04:47 PM
I think they should have gave him a warning. To me, it makes ftp look bad more than anything else.
03-04-2008 , 04:49 PM
so will they now investigate all the other pros that play on there? i think not somehow....
03-04-2008 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by zen_rounder
so will they now investigate all the other pros that play on there? i think not somehow....
Just like they investigate all of their...ahem...the bots online.
03-04-2008 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
You gotta be a ****ing moron (and a greedy one at that) be a rookie Red Pro and lend your account out.
No, you just gotta get the right offer.

Being a Full Tilt pro isn't worth much at his level unless you play a lot of poker online.


Matter of fact, it's worth almost nothing. You get paid for playing online and a small amount over what anyone would get for wearing FT gear on TV at a final table. Obv the bigger names get more, but John's deal wasn't spectacular.
03-04-2008 , 04:55 PM
Not to further belittle J.Little (no pun intended) but why did FT hire him to begin with? Unless I'm missing something, according to sharkscope he's not a winner at SNG's.
03-04-2008 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Daliman
No, you just gotta get the right offer.

Being a Full Tilt pro isn't worth much at his level unless you play a lot of poker online.


Matter of fact, it's worth almost nothing. You get paid for playing online and a small amount over what anyone would get for wearing FT gear on TV at a final table. Obv the bigger names get more, but John's deal wasn't spectacular.
dali,

that is stupid.
he got 100% rakeback, if everything that has been said is true. he's been grinding many tables of 100+ sngs, which is nice money. i believe he's been pretty happy about it in fact. losing it actually does suck for him.
03-04-2008 , 04:59 PM
i'm going to guess it has something to do with the 2m+ winnings live last year. maybe.
03-04-2008 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
Not to further belittle J.Little (no pun intended) but why did FT hire him to begin with? Unless I'm missing something, according to sharkscope he's not a winner at SNG's.
Being the WPT player of the year may have had something to do with it.

Mind you, he's no Sigi Stockinger or Beth Shak, but still.....
03-04-2008 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
Not to further belittle J.Little (no pun intended) but why did FT hire him to begin with? Unless I'm missing something, according to sharkscope he's not a winner at SNG's.
Three WPT FTs.
03-04-2008 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Daliman
No, you just gotta get the right offer.

Being a Full Tilt pro isn't worth much at his level unless you play a lot of poker online.


Matter of fact, it's worth almost nothing. You get paid for playing online and a small amount over what anyone would get for wearing FT gear on TV at a final table. Obv the bigger names get more, but John's deal wasn't spectacular.
I know what these deals are worth and, imo, it's quite a bit more than "almost nothing." I was told that Jonathan got a higher-than-standard hourly rate, and, anyway, it's totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. Little knew what the deal is "worth" to him when he took it and decided to buck the system for more profit, anyway. The fact that he did it so obviously and so early in his career with FTP reflects a severely limited mentality.

In any case, I have very little sympathy for life nits who run insanely hot in tournaments, sock-away millions of dollars, and are still so relentlessly greedy and shortsighted that they cheat their employees for extra rakeback.

Last edited by shaniac; 03-04-2008 at 05:07 PM.
03-04-2008 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by citanul
dali,

that is stupid.
he got 100% rakeback, if everything that has been said is true. he's been grinding many tables of 100+ sngs, which is nice money. i believe he's been pretty happy about it in fact. losing it actually does suck for him.
Reading comprehension ftw.

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Being a Full Tilt pro isn't worth much at his level unless you play a lot of poker online
Therefore, if you don't, it's not worth alot. "He" was, therefore it was, (sorta).
03-04-2008 , 05:02 PM
GG FJ
03-04-2008 , 05:07 PM
Just an aside, since it was brought up: In the course of working on Matusow's book, I have logged in what is now hundred's of hours of interviews with Mike - the vast majority of which were conducted at his house while he played his account. When I have had trouble reaching him, I have waited to see him pop up online at FT to call him. His answers by phone are punctuated with outbursts like "Did you just see that? Can you believe he called that drawing to only four outs? How can I lose to these ****ing idiots?" I can't say for sure that Mike has never shared his account, but I've never seen it or heard about it. And he's told me things that have made my hair curl. Metaphorically (and litterally), the guy can't hold back a fart. If this happened more than on a rare occurrence, I can't believe I wouldn't have come across it by now. Just my two cents.
03-04-2008 , 05:08 PM
This looks more like fulltilt finding an excuse to get rid of him because they were expecting him to blow up in the media more than he did when they signed him.

To be honest, with all of the flagarant account sharing that exists and the general apathy of full tilt to remedy it, I cant see a good reason not to let friends play on it. I think the only thing that he should regret is not keeping it more discrete. As long as people believe it's the real jon little playing, it makes no different to tilt. A big reason they signed him is so that pocket5 ******s can join a sit n go and jerk off to the thought of playing with some guy listed on some leaderboard.
03-04-2008 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Daliman
Reading comprehension ftw.



Therefore, if you don't, it's not worth alot. "He" was, therefore it was, (sorta).
Dali, are your views perhaps skewed by the fact that you'd like to be able to purchase/borrow the accounts of FTP pros for a fixed amount of money and profit from the arrangement?

      
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