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Old 06-02-2012, 02:36 PM   #1
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Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Jon Aguiar issued a series of tweets upset about the rule that players at streamed/feature tables have to pronounce their actions. There was a series of confrontations from floor staff during last night's $1,500 PL Hold'em final table.

In their "wisdom", the @WSOP account RT'd (which is still on their timeline) the following from @SHAWNIVEY_OBV:
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@JonAguiar @wsop @wsoptd why are you the only one who cries all day every day about everything Adapt and stop sounding like a complete *****

Last edited by Kevmath; 06-02-2012 at 03:21 PM. Reason: Appears the comment is still there, oops.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:42 PM   #2
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WSOP Final Table Verbal Rules - Agree/Disagree?

During all final tables players MUST verbally declare action to enhance the live stream. Personally, don't see the huge fuss but I can see where Jonathan Aguiar and others who disagree with this are coming from.



You agree/disagree with what they're saying here on twitter? Or is this just a non-issue?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:52 PM   #3
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Utterly stupid rule.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:53 PM   #4
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

I think this is a pretty bogus rule. and thats coming from somebody thats plans on watching a lot of these streams.

This isnt the first time the game has been adapted to suit the audience at the cost of the players. It wont be the last either. And there will always be players voicing their opinions.


but lol at whoever is running that twitter account. They should have expected these reactions and handle it more professional
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:55 PM   #5
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

players shouuldnt have to do this, the DEALER should have too. what if a player is bluffing his stack off and doesnt wanna talk to give out a potential tell? he shouldnt have to verbally say"540k!"
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:07 PM   #6
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

What would happen if a player refused to vocalize his actions?
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:09 PM   #7
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Strange rule, but hardly something that shows the "WSOP is being run into the ground."
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:09 PM   #8
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Well, at least the WSOP is extremely consistent: Come WSOP-time, you can be 100% sure that there will be reports about something totally stupid that they`ve implemented and pissed off the players... They never disappoint on that one for as far back as I can remember.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:10 PM   #9
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

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What would happen if a player refused to vocalize his actions?
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if we all refused to announce they said they would stop play and not let us play the tourney out last night
aguiar tweeted that.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:13 PM   #10
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

In Aguiar's tweets, he claimed that there was no threats on the players not verbalizing actions until after Daniel Negreanu was eliminated. I wasn't observing the stream that carefully in the early going, but Daniel wasn't his usual talkative self for whatever reason.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:15 PM   #11
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

The three of them should've just stopped and sat there then. Called their bluff. WSOP would've folded like a deck of...well, you know.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:15 PM   #12
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

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In their "wisdom", the @WSOP account RT'd (which has since been deleted) the following from @SHAWNIVEY_OBV:
It hasn't been deleted or un-retweeted. I just saw it right now.



They definitely should un-retweet it ASAP, though.

Last edited by RMB; 06-02-2012 at 03:19 PM. Reason: And obviously a terrible rule to have in place... ldo
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:17 PM   #13
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Stupid rule
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:23 PM   #14
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

There was point in the tournament 4 handed where the level was about to change and a colour up performed. Jon asked for a 10 minute break so he could make the long trek to the washroom which was denied.

Does WSOP really want to bring piss bottles into the live game now?
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:24 PM   #15
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Yeah, that retweet is unprofessional. For a very public (72k followers) and supposedly mainstream brand, this makes them look pretty bad.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:25 PM   #16
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

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There was point in the tournament 4 handed where the level was about to change and a colour up performed. Jon asked for a 10 minute break so he could make the long trek to the washroom which was denied.

Does WSOP really want to bring piss bottles into the live game now?

You know if Ivey or someone really popular asked they would of said yes.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:29 PM   #17
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

every online grinder has a piss bottle , cant see a problem !!
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:29 PM   #18
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You know if Ivey or someone really popular asked they would of said yes.
Jon made that point on the broadcast. He said something along the lines of if Hellmuth was asking there is no way they would refuse.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:37 PM   #19
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

The people who run/represent the WSOP, (Seth, Jack, etc etc) are incompetent scumbag idiots who will continue to act like douchebags, make a mess of things, and embarrass themselves in the process. Every single summer provides plenty of new folly.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:45 PM   #20
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

I feel kinda sad saying this, because I've put in so many hours trying to win a bracelet, but the value of the bracelet took a major hit with the Aguiar + no talking at featured table stuff.

In 2004 my thoughts were if you won a bracelet it was ****ing awesome and you're a piece of poker history.

Now it's like, hey congrats you binked a live tournament for six figures, and here's this bracelet on the side. You and hundreds of others have one. Now please go back to playing our tournaments with bad dealers and overpriced food. We will continue to implement things that will make the players upset.

The WSOP is supposed to be my monthlong poker vacation where I sacrifice a little in hourly to attempt to put my name onto something. A good record at the WSOP at the end of the day is like the poker equivalent of the baseball hall of fame or something. Now I don't know if I care about that as much.

Obv gonna grind my face off for the rest of my tournaments this summer, but next summer I might just stay home and enjoy my cheap food and good dealers and higher hourly rate.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:47 PM   #21
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I feel kinda sad saying this, because I've put in so many hours trying to win a bracelet, but the value of the bracelet took a major hit with the Aguiar + no talking at featured table stuff.

In 2004 my thoughts were if you won a bracelet it was ****ing awesome and you're a piece of poker history.

Now it's like, hey congrats you binked a live tournament for six figures, and here's this bracelet on the side. You and hundreds of others have one. Now please go back to playing our tournaments with bad dealers and overpriced food.
Not to mention WSOPE and now Aussie as well. Asia soon. WSOPW(winter) soon enough! Reminds me of the recent X-games expansion.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:49 PM   #22
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

what if a player is a mute... come on!

a few bad apples spoil the WHOLE bunch.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:51 PM   #23
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

You know what **** these guys. Poker has given plenty to them and they can give back a little. What a bunch of ****ing babies...this rule is not that big a deal.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #24
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It hasn't been deleted or un-retweeted. I just saw it right now.



They definitely should un-retweet it ASAP, though.
Wow, that's completely unacceptable
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:58 PM   #25
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Re: Jon Aguiar v WSOP

Jon Aguiar threatens not to do interviews etc with Poker News if this story
isn't reported. He thinks he is a little more important then he his. Don't care. Don't do interviews. His loss.

WSOP to call someone a ***** is a compltete joke. wtf is that?
Amazingly unprofessional.
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