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Joey Weissman,  I wanna create rather then exploit Joey Weissman,  I wanna create rather then exploit

11-13-2012 , 01:08 PM
just played with him in wpt jax and he is really tough
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11-13-2012 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AKingdom
Wow @ this post.
Is that in a good way or a bad way?
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11-13-2012 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
Joey is one of the nicest guys I've met in all of my years playing poker. Great article and I wish him the best in all his ventures
+1
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11-13-2012 , 02:12 PM
little bitch complaining like that need a reality check doing 9-5 for five years, then rethink what they said.

Sure everybody want to change the world and be "fulfilled" whatever the **** that means, but fulfilment doesn't comes from your "job", it comes from where your heart and mind his. Sure you can donate all your money to help poor children's or go across the world planting trees but at the end you will be alone with your mind and then if you haven't learn to control it you will still don't feel "complete".
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11-13-2012 , 02:24 PM
Comparatively speaking, from the positive feedback here it appears Joey is already well on his way to making a difference.

There aren't a lot of poker pro's getting good follow up for anything. Most of what I read here speaks volumes of his direction and how he deals with people.

Once you have that covered, the rest comes. Something it seems many current people in poker haven't learned yet.
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11-13-2012 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gostatego
just played with him in wpt jax and he is really tough
of course he tough...he watched Rounders 30 times...
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11-13-2012 , 02:57 PM
Loads of young poker players say this (including me). I'm sure he means it and I hope he finds something he is motivated to work hard at outside of poker. I'm trying at the moment but it's difficult!

Last edited by Make Them Dig; 11-13-2012 at 02:59 PM. Reason: Missed ChicagoRy's post... oh well
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11-13-2012 , 03:19 PM
The reality is that most people work at the jobs they do for a paycheck, so they can pay their bills, support their family, etc. They don't necessarily find it rewarding, or feel it contributes to society.

It's great that Joey wants to do something more than that, but the average person would likely trade their 9-5 office job for a lucrative poker career, if they were able to do so.
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11-13-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Caligula~
Well said. Poker is such an empty, hollow career..
Agree just like any other sport or entertainment :-)
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11-13-2012 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by styx2000
i guess you could view both groups as entertainers, that is the only "good thing" they give to the world is entertainment, but i think that argument is pretty weak for poker.
99% of professional poker players don't provide entertainment for anyone(at least of the spectator variety). You can count on a few hands the number of people who get paid enough by sponsors to play on TV that they would be considered entertainers and that list in shrinking, not growing.

Most all professional athletes could classify themselves as entertainers.
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11-13-2012 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
99% of professional poker players don't provide entertainment for anyone(at least of the spectator variety). You can count on a few hands the number of people who get paid enough by sponsors to play on TV that they would be considered entertainers and that list in shrinking, not growing.

Most all professional athletes could classify themselves as entertainers.
Mike, I love you and your show.

But I disagree.

Here is why:

In poker you don't entertain the viewer but the other player that you play against. The whole thing is entertainment. The enjoyment is just a little more participative.

I understand when we are saying that poker only moves money from one hand to the other and creates no value. But that is the same for sport. Its something we do for fun but does not have a "real" value to society. Like a park bench, meal or something "real" like that.

Yet people pay 10k a seat to watch a game for that "unreal" sport game. Sport is part of our culture and provides value in way we cant just simply explain by pointing to a real thing.

Poker is the same way in that it does not create anything that adds to society but it is still enjoyable to do. And it provides value to the people that do (of course in different ways)

Like in sports there are some that benefit from it and take money out of it and others that contribute to it.

I believe in poker terms:
In sports the fish sits on the bench or sofa or in a bar. In poker the fish is right where the sharks are as well.

Art is the same way. We as people do lots of stuff that "does not make sense" or adds value and yet it does.

People who say that poker is bad because it does not create anything just don't understand what poker is.

I remember listening to the interview on your show from a very famous poker pro and TV moderator on the subject. I respect that guy a lot and I am a huge fan, but I thought:

"This guy has no idea what poker is, someone needs to explain it to him"


The purpose of poker is not to create things that a "real", its purpose is to be a game.

I don't bitch at my car because it does not love me. When I do I am either crazy or have been highly oversold on the features and functionalities of what a car is made for.

Of course there is nothing wrong with wanting to swim. But in that case I should scuba dive or buy a boat. Not buy a car and try to make it swim.
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11-16-2012 , 02:31 AM
I'm sure this guy is a nice guy; all I know of him is the article in the OP. But honestly, the cliffs seem to me like:

-teenager thinks he is a deep thinker. Like a teenager would even know what being a deep thinker is like.

-goes to college, it's hard, he quits

-plays some poker

-tries a "real job" it's hard, he quits

-Plays poker, makes around $60k in 2011 tourneys, yet is broke, depressed and sleeping on friend's couch at start of 2012 WSOP

-binks a tourney for $700k

-now feels he's ready and qualified to do something to change the world (let's hope it's not hard)

Sorry, but his story (as told in the article) doesn't really seem much different than taking life advice from a broke guy who spends his last dollar on the lotto and wins $700k.
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11-16-2012 , 02:54 AM
I WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!






oh cry me a fricking river.... we as human beings are selfish n live in a world where we dont care about those at the bottom but rather want to keep the status quo where they are at..... you have 1 life n its to live for yourself...
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11-16-2012 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
I WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!
if somebody wants to save the world he must return all prize money to less lucky people at first


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oh cry me a fricking river.... we as human beings are selfish n live in a world where we dont care about those at the bottom but rather want to keep the status quo where they are at..... you have 1 life n its to live for yourself...
human beings not selfish and live for yourself not enough.Lots of rich guys absolutely unhappy... some of them commite suiside or think about it often.
I'm too lazy to bla-bla long...I always think about one thing.Almost any holywood actor can play a good guy perfectly.You read articles in different stupid magazines...he drinks round the clock,deceives his wife,doesnt care about his children...but he knows how ideal guys looks like.There should be something inside...And not so many can play really bad guys naturally...it often looks false.
Maybe i put my idea too obscure
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11-16-2012 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
I WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!






oh cry me a fricking river.... we as human beings are selfish n live in a world where we dont care about those at the bottom but rather want to keep the status quo where they are at..... you have 1 life n its to live for yourself...
I haven't even clicked the link but this post is just cringe worthy and beyond ignorant on every possible level
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11-16-2012 , 05:14 AM
Who the**** is Joey Weissman
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11-16-2012 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by styx2000
thats a weird analogy. if you are a winning poker player you take money out of losing poker players pockets.

athletes who compete against each other don't lose anything, the losers still have their sponsorships.

i guess you could view both groups as entertainers, that is the only "good thing" they give to the world is entertainment, but i think that argument is pretty weak for poker.

i don't think everybody has to add something useful to society, but it's weird to me that professional poker players argue that they do.
you could say that the superior athlete gets paid more or gets the 1st prize money compared to the lower prizes, abstractly taking money out of the other athletes pockets.
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11-16-2012 , 07:35 AM
Jeez! Who taught you guys how to write? My head hurts from trying to figure out what most of you have said here and none of it is any deeper than a frying pan.
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