I meant he could have left out the part about being blindsided, not the existence of the opt-out clause itself.

He could have said there was an opt-out clause, but Nandez gave no indication of wanting to use it, and in fact made assurances which led Doug to offer longterm packages.

That's a better look than: there was an opt-out clause that I had no idea existed even though my own lawyer drew up the contract.

There's a difference between acting legally and acting ethically.

Jnandez seems to be within his legal rights to terminate the partnership, but he's being terribly unethical.

He used Doug's platform and brand to publicize himself and his talent as a coach. He's benefitted from the tens of thousands of dollars in ad spend Doug invested which has no value to Upswing at this point. He leveraged off Doug's popularity to elevate his own brand. And now he's leaving Doug high and dry to start a competitive product.

This type of **** happens all the time in the real world (whatever that means). But being successful in business and maintaining your values are not mutually exclusive. At the end of the day you still need to look yourself in the mirror.

The previous thread was about as civil as it ever gets on NVG!

Surprised no white knights have pounced on this yet

Cliffs from video:

JNandez has a group of friends helping him create strategies, but needed needed marketing before they would ever be successful with their own site because no one knew who JNandez was. Befriends ChicagoJoey and Doug to get known and once his face is plastered all over the Upswing advertising, decides to take advantage of a clause to get out of a contract he signed in good faith to do 18 months worth of coaching for Doug's site.

Excellent post, JNandez deserves to fail.

Yes, someone used the word machiavellian in the previous thread which is a great description. He was very obviously planning the customer hijack since the moment he signed for upswing. Don't care whether it was legal or not, this is just a level of scummery that humbles Alec Torelli.
So disgusting seeing the video where he calls up fees for a chummy impromptu podcast and acting like they're best friend.

QFT. I mean, no way you can find hundreds of threads on our forums that are critical of Poker Stars, Party, and dozens of other advertisers.

If you want to discuss the deletion of the previous thread, here's the place to do so:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1285169/

It's a shrwed move by both parties. Jnandez rides the coattails of someone who is poker famous, and polk/fees rides the coattails of someone who actually still wins at poker. Win/win for both sides, although no one with a clue will subscribe to upswing now.

Watching both videos and following the thread yesterday, I feel the big question is did JNandez talk with Doug about the issues he had before he decided to leave or not? In the JNandez video, I got the impression that JNandez wanted to grow the PLO lab with his team/company but Doug wanted didnt want to do that. Doug made it clear that JNandex never approached him about any issues he had.

If JNandez never talked with Doug about his issues, then while what he did was legal, I can see why Doug is upset.

Nando definitely talked about wanting to improve the PLO part of Upswing. However, did Nando say that he is willing to leave over the needs not being met?

Also, we know now that Doug didn't know that Nando could still pull out and Doug just shut down all the requests, thinking, well, "what is he gonna do.. quit?"

Just a huge communication error, it seems like to me. Not a fault of either 1 party but both I think.

The way Nandex phrased it I get a strong feeling that he never actually got much pushback but instead he never actually bothered to run these ideas that his team had by Doug. He's trying to present it as some sort of creative difference that arose since PLO Lab was launched when again, he was plotting since the beginning.
Upswing got angleshot, plain and simple.

That definitely can't be true because if we're to believe Doug, Fernando didn't know of this opportunity until after he'd got to read the contract Doug send which would be after everything was agreed upon. If this is an angle-shot by Fernando at all, it is one because the opportunity arose, not one thought of when they got together.

That is if the story about the 90-day clause is true at all. UpSwing looks like a decently run company and Doug reasonably smart which makes not even once reading a contract likely involving 6-figures very hard to believe. It could also be an angle by Doug, to be able to ditch Fernando in case his fee wouldn't be covered by new customers anymore (after already having secured many customers under the guise of longterm involvement by Fernando).

It sounded like doug hired jnandez, and then jnandez hired a bunch of assistants like he was lex veldus trying to pull a fast one on Antonio.

Lawyer talk can be hard to comprehend, even for very intelligent people.

Once again, you have the story wrong. I won't bother to correct it this time. You should stop speculating on stuff you have no idea about.

I have no idea what you're talking about You assume Doug didn't know what was in the contract. What I wrote above was based on exactly that assumption. Do you have inside information, that makes your assumptions more then speculation?

Ugh, the other one was pretty civil and contained a lot of insight. I think they should bring it back and merge this one with it, particularly since Doug linked to the old one on Twitter.

Just noticed [JNandez] started the vid with "What's up guys, Fernando here." Just lol.

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