I spit out my drink. ass.

Are there any ethnic events at the WSOP?

Got a bet.

Lol to him being a favorite over the field.

It would be really interesting to see statistics on the people that have entered, say, at least 90% of events...I wonder, on average, how much of a bracelet playing every event "buys" you

ever heard of fractions? or addition?

i lol'd

nobody has 10 times the edge. Phil could be in a tournament with 500 monkeys shoving every hand and he wouldn't have a 10:1 edge.

plus, the average field size is way over 500

You guys see what Ivey is doing?
I mean he has seemed like a careless guys the last few years at the WSOP.

He is building up action so that this series means something to him.

I'm not sure you can relate past years to this year, simply b/c the guys seems like he is focused on the MTTs rather than side games or golf.

That said, I think he has a chance simply b/c there are several events that are unpopular (non NLHE games). I am not sure what realistic odds would be though. I dont think he would even money.

Although phil hellmuth seems to win a bracelet every year (or at least be in a very good position to do so). And he really cares about it. I am not sure Ivey is better than helmuth at the mojority of the WSOP format though.

seriously doubt that

well I just feel Hellmuth is more used to the format, and he is prolly more used to the player pool of the $1500 events.

Also IDK if you can find a player who is more determined to get bracelets (despite all the hype other players cause to motivate themselves, like DN or Ivey, etc...)

I am not saying he is better. I am just saying there are a ton of $2500 or $1500 events which IMO favor Phil Hell. $10K events and non NLHE event def favor Ivey.

This is just IMO. Over all I would take Ivey if I was staking him b/c IMO he can make more money ($10k events, etc...) But If I had to bet on a player to get bracelets, I'd have trouble going against Hellmuth.

But Ivey pwns phil hell regardless of results .

i almost posted something like this yesterday, but couldn't think of how to word it so eloquently. Failing out of college ftl =(.

if you'll escrow i'll book tons.

edit: right now your a favorite though, but if i can get more than 1m in action (so me putting up 200k) i'd definitely book this, in case anyone else is interested.

durrrr how many events u playing?

how can durrrr focus on MTTs when he can potentially be playing in some massive side games?

I mean this is the main challenge IMO. When busting out of an event dosnt cost you that much b/c you might actually make more money not playing in it.
I guess if you get a couple million in side bet action trying to get a bracelet > cash games.

durr just clowned fools

Rofl I really don't think the math is the issue here. It would be getting the data together

I'll bet anyone up to like $5K at 1.8 to 1 odds that Ivey doesn't win a bracelet this year.

this was from poker pages when Ivey busted out on day 1 of event 1($10K PLHE):

"It's been a rough hour for the big names. Phil Ivey took his break a bit early, busting out with less than an hour left in the day. Ivey raised the pot after seeing the flop and the turn, T T 6 2, and was pushed all in. He made the call with KJ against his opponent's AJ. The Queen was no help, and Ivey headed for the rail."

hmmmm....calling an All In, with King High???? playing like this, i think those betting against Ivey have a good shot....

I initially wanted to bet heavily against Ivey as my initial thought was -- 1.8-1 is way too little. But two things have sort of changed my mind.

A) My understanding is that Ivey has Massive Action on himself winning a bracelet -- giving him motivation to play all the events.

B) The increased larger buy in events -- 10k plo, o8, stud..etc.

u know although at first glance it seems to not be a good bet on his end... my feeling is if he puts his all into it due to all the side action -- it my not be as horrible. I had wanted to put up 6-7k against ivey originally.. now i'd probably bet a much lower amt.

+Event 8 IMO, Wonder how many people will be entering that lol

Ivey is planning to pay a bunch of people for a huge chip dump in an event ldo.

Seriously, if you were sufficiently confident you wouldn't get caught, the EV is enormous, and only goes up the more action you got. People with action against him might want to be wary of this.

some of the people named that are betting against him seem to know him really well, and might be his friends or at least close acquaintances. i doubt he would cheat them like you are suggesting.

This hand wouldn't make me bet against him. DUCY?