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07-18-2015 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Exactly. Don't blame governments for doing the net + EV positive thing for poker players. Blame poker pros for being too selfish/disorganised to find a way to get around it.
Wtf are you guys smoking? It has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with 6 billion going overseas each year, but the real issue is the erosion of civil liberties.

The easier it is for the government to eliminate personal freedoms, the more freedoms we'll lose as a whole. People don't care about poker, so poker goes away. Next, something a little bigger, then a little bigger, and so on until it hits home and takes away something someone never thought could be taken away.

Really terrible logic that the government taking away someone's freedom to choose to play poker in his or her own home, even if they are a losing player, is a good thing. You really think the government should be the parent to grown adults by taking individual choice away?
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07-18-2015 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Wtf are you guys smoking? It has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with 6 billion going overseas each year, but the real issue is the erosion of civil liberties.

The easier it is for the government to eliminate personal freedoms, the more freedoms we'll lose as a whole. People don't care about poker, so poker goes away. Next, something a little bigger, then a little bigger, and so on until it hits home and takes away something someone never thought could be taken away.

Really terrible logic that the government taking away someone's freedom to choose to play poker in his or her own home, even if they are a losing player, is a good thing. You really think the government should be the parent to grown adults by taking individual choice away?


In some things, yes, absolutely, 100%.
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07-19-2015 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
In some things, yes, absolutely, 100%.
And these are not things that are subjective to you, like online poker is to the vast majority of Americans, yes?
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07-19-2015 , 07:04 AM
America saw online poker has hurting their gdp, thats why is banned ? Plus they werent collecting taxes off winnings

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and not paying ur taxes is worse than murder, just ask al capone
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07-19-2015 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ExciteD
Why NVG is full of GTO experts claiming the games are solved and unbetable and yet i`m playing midstakes on the reggiest platform Pokerstars and meet tons of people who suck hard everyday + nobody is godlike good. Blaiming it on uber GTO players swarming everywhere while in reality you suck is plain dumb.
I invite you to play on ACR then, I doubt stars got anything on the place where all the US regs go.
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07-19-2015 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Blackjack is already solved.
so is roulette btw...
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07-19-2015 , 09:20 AM
no point in guessing if the bot is bluffing though
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07-19-2015 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by kgbking
America saw online poker has hurting their gdp, thats why is banned ? Plus they werent collecting taxes off winnings

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and not paying ur taxes is worse than murder, just ask al capone
Barely made even a dent in the GDP. It was politically motivated more so than economically motivated.
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07-19-2015 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
Barely made even a dent in the GDP. It was politically motivated more so than economically motivated.
They are the same thing.

Look at who is leading the lobbying efforts against it, people that have other gambling interests (lottos, racetracks, casinos) who don't want people gambling their money elsewhere.
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07-19-2015 , 11:22 AM
At least we have terrorism to combat the loss of freedom
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07-19-2015 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Wtf are you guys smoking? It has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with 6 billion going overseas each year, but the real issue is the erosion of civil liberties.

The easier it is for the government to eliminate personal freedoms, the more freedoms we'll lose as a whole. People don't care about poker, so poker goes away. Next, something a little bigger, then a little bigger, and so on until it hits home and takes away something someone never thought could be taken away.

Really terrible logic that the government taking away someone's freedom to choose to play poker in his or her own home, even if they are a losing player, is a good thing. You really think the government should be the parent to grown adults by taking individual choice away?
At least we have terrorism to battle against the loss of freedom

Just kidding, since the last symphatic terrorists were the RAF, imo...and I ain't gonna do **** as long as I have enough food on the table, hahaha

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 07-19-2015 at 11:30 AM.
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07-19-2015 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Governments aren't game theoretically optimal. They make money from exploitation.
Haha, so nicely played
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07-19-2015 , 03:49 PM
Anyone who thinks the government was/is trying to "protect the players" is most definitely insane. We have horse racing and power ball celebrated by the government, they don't give zero ****s.
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07-19-2015 , 05:35 PM
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Barely made even a dent in the GDP. It was politically motivated more so than economically motivated.
Of course it wasn't about GDP but about local interests, probably casinos.
Legislation is quite cheap in America.
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07-19-2015 , 06:51 PM
Poker is either forbidden or regulated to death in most countries for the same reason that weed and psychedelic drugs are forbidden. It leads people to think outside of the box, and that's the opposite of what the government wants you to be, imo.
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07-19-2015 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spew$
Anyone who thinks the government was/is trying to "protect the players" is most definitely insane. We have horse racing and power ball celebrated by the government, they don't give zero ****s.
This
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07-19-2015 , 09:00 PM
it's gambling and it's solvable.
or if you think that's not possible, then you should specify under what meaning/definition you are using the word 'gambling' so that it excludes solvability
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07-19-2015 , 10:12 PM
^^I beg your pardon, but that's stupid.
Even if, let's say PLO cash up to 250bb is solved in cashgames, a table with 1 fish, one human crusher and 4 GTO bots will still alow the human crusher to earn at least as much as the GTO bots by being superior in exploiting the human. You would need a human behind every GTO bot to deviate from playing GTO to exploit the fish and the spots that he creates optimally, or you lose lots of value to the human crusher. And we all now that nowadays games are: no fish = no game
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07-20-2015 , 06:20 AM
should be an easy sell this attractive lineup. other than that you started hitting the walls left and right mid sentence 2.
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