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12-05-2023 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
lol

The results of the formula are exactly the same. The only thing that changes is how the result is formatted.

20/(20+40) = 0.33

20/(20+40)*100 = 33
.33% does not equal 33%. He formatted as a percentage on one side of the equation, but calculated as a decimal on the other. Obviously, everyone knew what he meant. But he made the mistake in a post meant to show up another poster so opened the door to criticism on his mistake.
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12-05-2023 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
Translation: Hey Mason, jump through my hoops or you're not an expert.

And how about you get your formulas straight before trying to school everyone. Breakeven% = Risk/(Risk+Reward)*100.
Hi George;

Correct. I’m busy working on two books and may have to get involved with a third one and don’t accept work assignments from unknown (to me) people.

Mason
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12-05-2023 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
Translation: Hey Mason, jump through my hoops or you're not an expert.

And how about you get your formulas straight before trying to school everyone. Breakeven% = Risk/(Risk+Reward)*100.
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
lol

The results of the formula are exactly the same. The only thing that changes is how the result is formatted.

20/(20+40) = 0.33

20/(20+40)*100 = 33
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
It's too easy to get you guys all riled up but it's the same formula.

And there's no hoops, it's actually a simple question if you are an expert at poker theory (which is what I am doubting but it would be fun to be proven wrong as well).

Signed,

Not An Expert
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi George;

Correct. I’m busy working on two books and may have to get involved with a third one and don’t accept work assignments from unknown (to me) people.

Mason
Shouldn’t it take you like 30 seconds? If you’re an expert I mean
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12-05-2023 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Shouldn’t it take you like 30 seconds? If you’re an expert I mean
You act like a douche to everybody i see

I shouldn't take it personally. You just think you're better than everyone, i get it now
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12-05-2023 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi George;

Correct. I’m busy working on two books and may have to get involved with a third one and don’t accept work assignments from unknown (to me) people.

Mason
You are selling a book that you want people to pay for and you have claimed to be an authority and expert multiple times in your previous books so it's a reasonable request.

Any real expert could do these calculations in less than a minute because it's plugging the numbers into a formula. You just need to know the formulas, which again, any expert should know by heart.

But thank you for proving my point.

There is a cognitive dissonance in this thread where you have people that have made millions of dollars off poker and claim to be experts, while in reality having relatively weak technical games and a tenuous grasp on poker theory.

I'm not an expert at poker my any means. But I have studied a lot and worked on my game and I can tell when people who claim to be experts are not experts.
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12-05-2023 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You are selling a book that you want people to pay for and you have claimed to be an authority and expert multiple times in your previous books so it's a reasonable request.

Any real expert could do these calculations in less than a minute because it's plugging the numbers into a formula. You just need to know the formulas, which again, any expert should know by heart.

But thank you for proving my point.

There is a cognitive dissonance in this thread where you have people that have made millions of dollars off poker and claim to be experts, while in reality having relatively weak technical games and a tenuous grasp on poker theory.

I'm not an expert at poker my any means. But I have studied a lot and worked on my game and I can tell when people who claim to be experts are not experts.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples and explanations in their many books on poker in which you can asses their expertise or not. What's the point of responding to you here other than to placate your need for attention?
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12-05-2023 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
You act like a douche to everybody i see

I shouldn't take it personally. You just think you're better than everyone, i get it now
I mean I’m probably better than you at poker and we are on a poker forum and we can play HU to decide.

Same goes for almost anyone who thinks I act better than them on the forum
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12-05-2023 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples and explanations in their many books on poker in which you can asses their expertise or not. What's the point of responding to you here other than to placate your need for attention?
I didn't bother to respond to his email of a couple of days ago.

I'm also currently working on the rewrite and expansion of my Gambling Theory book, it's over 500 pages. It should be available in a couple of months and I plan on giving the kindle away for free.

Mason
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12-05-2023 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples and explanations in their many books on poker in which you can asses their expertise or not. What's the point of responding to you here other than to placate your need for attention?
Thank you for saying this because this is EXACTLY my point. Most people cannot assess a person's expertise when they are not an expert themselves, they simply defer to people better than them without considering the fact that the superior player may also be wrong. (You see this in the coaching forum all the time btw just go read the reviews)

You need a certain threshold of skill to distinguish between what is correct and what is not correct. Based on the hand examples in this thread from the book, it is reasonable for me to assume that the Author's are not experts.
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12-05-2023 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I didn't bother to respond to his email of a couple of days ago.

I'm also currently working on the rewrite and expansion of my Gambling Theory book, it's over 500 pages. It should be available in a couple of months and I plan on giving the kindle away for free.

Mason
That was brutal. The most effective way to set off an attention whore is to ignore them. He'll probably haunt you for weeks.

Looking forward to you new/newer books. Gambling Theory and the Poker Essays books covered topics not covered by other sources at the times they were published and are must reading IMO.
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12-05-2023 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I mean I’m probably better than you at poker and we are on a poker forum and we can play HU to decide.

Same goes for almost anyone who thinks I act better than them on the forum
How good you are at HU NL has nothing to do with how good you are at 8-9 handed live NL or plo.

I'd rather kill myself than play NL at this point or study HU NL. Luckily for me that has zero to do with what live poker is actually about.

I'm sure some autistic who studies solvers all day would torch me at HU NL. Not sure what that has to do with ring games or people who dump piles enjoying playing with me or wanting to eat cyanide before they play with him while he tanks for 5 mins for an amount that's less than .1 percent of their daily stock swings.

And guess what - just how rich dudes can decide when and where they play poker I don't have to play the autistic in NL. So he can sit all day online in empty lobbies when nobody will play him and think it actually matters when it doesn't. And he can tank for 5 mins when he finally plays a hand live while everyone who wants to actually gamble leaves and see what his win rate is getting 20 hands and hour against competent but not great opponents (hint its garbage.)

Honestly it's amazing that in 2023 people still think that bc they're better at format X in poker it means they're better at format Y. It doesn't.

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12-05-2023 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You need a certain threshold of skill to distinguish between what is correct and what is not correct.
Which you've already admitted you don't have.

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Based on the hand examples in this thread from the book, it is reasonable for me to assume that the Author's are not experts.
The examples from the book were situational and that has already been explained. And the principles that led the authors to their actions will be further explained in their book. While I would've raised in the examples where they limped, that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to play the hands. I have an open mind and will asses after reading the book whether such plays are relevant in the games I play. As for the KK example, it's a clear fold after the flop, yet many posters don't understand that (you'd have to fade 38 cards twice to justify putting money in the pot on the turn and river, with other players yet to act on the flop, plus KK could already be behind).

Mason doesn't charge a lot for his books. It's a trivial amount for someone like you who considers himself a student of the game. Why not read the book and pass judgement then instead of trying to impress everyone with your admitted non-expert expertise?
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12-05-2023 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
Which you've already admitted you don't have.



The examples from the book were situational and that has already been explained. And the principles that led the authors to their actions will be further explained in their book. While I would've raised in the examples where they limped, that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to play the hands. I have an open mind and will asses after reading the book whether such plays are relevant in the games I play. As for the KK example, it's a clear fold after the flop, yet many posters don't understand that (you'd have to fade 38 cards twice to justify putting money in the pot on the turn and river, with other players yet to act on the flop, plus KK could already be behind).

Mason doesn't charge a lot for his books. It's a trivial amount for someone like you who considers himself a student of the game. Why not read the book and pass judgement then instead of trying to impress everyone with your admitted non-expert expertise?
I have no desire to play NL and I'll still probably buy it for shits and grins.
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12-05-2023 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
I have no desire to play NL and I'll still probably buy it for shits and grins.
You might be surprised that learning something new about NL Hold'em might provide some additional insight into another game such as PLO or limit poker. An example in the other direction I realized is that a player in a low stakes NLHE game waiting for PLO tends to think like a PLO player. When such a player wants to get it all in on the flop, they are more likely than a strict low stakes NLHE player to have a draw.
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12-05-2023 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
Mason doesn't charge a lot for his books. It's a trivial amount for someone like you who considers himself a student of the game. Why not read the book and pass judgement then instead of trying to impress everyone with your admitted non-expert expertise?
Another thing that DooDoo is unaware of is that we always paid royalties far higher than industry standard, and far higher than our major competitors at the time of publication. We also never required our authors to give us first rights to future books which meant that if they weren't happy with 2+2 they didn't have to stay with us. I find his comments such as "You are selling a book that you want people to pay for" to be insulting.

Mason
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12-05-2023 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
You might be surprised that learning something new about NL Hold'em might provide some additional insight into another game such as PLO or limit poker. An example in the other direction I realized is that a player in a low stakes NLHE game waiting for PLO tends to think like a PLO player. When such a player wants to get it all in on the flop, they are more likely than a strict low stakes NLHE player to have a draw.
Sure but I already knew that a random waiting for plo who plays almost all plo thinks a certain way vs some dude waiting for NL waiting to catch up on Netflix.

Honestly with these 25-30 dollar books if you can pick up one small thing it's well with it.
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12-05-2023 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Another thing that DooDoo is unaware of is that we always paid royalties far higher than industry standard, and far higher than our major competitors at the time of publication. We also never required our authors to give us first rights to future books which meant that if they weren't happy with 2+2 they didn't have to stay with us. I find his comments such as "You are selling a book that you want people to pay for" to be insulting.

Mason
You're insulted by that?

Okay I'll do the civil thing and exit this thread.

I can't have an intellectually honest discourse with someone that is offended over perceived slights and refuses to answer any questions.

Take care and good luck on the book.
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12-05-2023 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I mean I’m probably better than you at poker and we are on a poker forum and we can play HU to decide.

Same goes for almost anyone who thinks I act better than them on the forum
Are you allowed to do that when you're still in makeup with your backer? Or is that void now that he's in prison?
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12-06-2023 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Are you allowed to do that when you're still in makeup with your backer? Or is that void now that he's in prison?
Please hate me on me in other threads. This one seems to be doing just fine. And you already know the answer
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12-06-2023 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Please hate me on me in other threads. This one seems to be doing just fine. And you already know the answer
Actually I don't know the answer, haven't been following your other threads lately. But I think it's relevant to your claims to be a poker expert that you have very recently owed backing money to shady characters, while playing low limit games.
It certainly leads me to think that you are not.
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12-06-2023 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Actually I don't know the answer, haven't been following your other threads lately. But I think it's relevant to your claims to be a poker expert that you have very recently owed backing money to shady characters, while playing low limit games.
It certainly leads me to think that you are not.
Sure like I said we can play heads up. If you think that poker experts don’t do the things you describe then I should be easy pickings. It’s a very simple solution.
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12-06-2023 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You're insulted by that?

Okay I'll do the civil thing and exit this thread.

I can't have an intellectually honest discourse with someone that is offended over perceived slights and refuses to answer any questions.

Take care and good luck on the book.
He just took his ball and went home on the internet
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12-06-2023 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Why wouldn’t you have notes on the fish whether playing live or online?
I find it odd the idea of using averaged data against opponents who deviate so far from equilibrium
It’s like going hunting and shooting where the deer where it would be on average and not where it actually is
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12-06-2023 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Sure like I said we can play heads up. If you think that poker experts don’t do the things you describe then I should be easy pickings. It’s a very simple solution.
Not really that simple, but if you want to come here to Portland, I'd be happy to play you HU limit HORSE mix.
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12-06-2023 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Not really that simple, but if you want to come here to Portland, I'd be happy to play you HU limit HORSE mix.
No ty, if you want to play the Cadillac of poker HU then sure. Also Portland has bomb pots every dealer, no ty.

Can’t put the other person to the test for their chip stack, no reason to play that HU when NLHE is available.
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