I don't understand your post. You are suggesting that most online players are basement dwelling degenerates living in their parent's house?

wish I had a mom like her, stone cold nuts

this headline is misleading. online poker has fairly significant seasonality. revenue in January should always be higher than December, but that doesn't mean what is implied by the article (meaning it's not necessarily a good thing).

i think jay94 made some very nice posts here.

New Jersey has almost the same population as Sweden.

There Svenska Spel, which is the government owned ´gambling´company, runs a pokersite which has about 1000 players in the evenings. This is the only Swedish site although it is legal to play on foreign sites. You have to have a Swedish social security number´ to be able to play so it´s pretty much Swedes only.

This seems to be about 3 times the number that WSOP/888.NJ has. They had 33% of the January 2015 poker revue in New Jersey.

So it seems that there is roughly the same number of players in New Jersey as in Sweden where Svenska Spel soon has had poker for 10 years.

Not sure what that means for the potential growth. But there is also a huge number of Swedish players playing at foreign sites. I would estimate (or guess I should say) that there are as many Swedish players on foreign sites at any given day as there are on Svenska Spel. For sure a lot more players than there are New Jersey locals playing on foreign (illegal, for them) sites.

So there should probably be a potential for NJ to double or more the number of players compared to what they have now. I doubt the player pool is big enough to sustain more than possibly two networks though as long as new Jersey has their own player pools.

Its all related. There is a big group of people that is aware of online poker but dont play cause it isnt good enough or big enough. Theres a group that has no idea it exists. Theres others that its too hard to deposit or deal with the software. More people that dont think a nightly tourney where first is 2k is big enough to bother playing consistently. No player transfers for sure effects a good amount of the population that says "hey guy send me 100 so I can play the nightly tonight" The ease of deposits that the sites claim as the reason to not have transfers is exaggerated and often its difficult for people to do 15 steps to get their account set up and working.

There are just way too many things that need to be improved and effort to get more people to play. If everything that is a relatively simple fix was fixed then numbers would improve.

Svenska Spel has existed for over a decade. It's pretty unfair to compare the NJ sites to that.

Strongly disagree that these sites are failing. There is no way that they aren't making profits.

So if they cleared a dollar that would mean success?

NJ online poker is Flandering

The sites are for sure failing. Ultimate already failed. When it takes 9 months to just get features like auto rebuy and addon it's a fail.

These sites weren't ready and still aren't ready or have a clue what to do. They are unorganized and have no game plan or care to improve. All of the reps have been clueless idiots thus far.

Poker had its moment and that time isn't returning.

Well. It´s certainly debatable what is unfair if it is. Seems like most sites have a hard time maintaining player numbers after the first couple of years.

Either way. It seems unlikely New Jersey will ever be able to say quadruple or more the number of players no matter what based on the numbers other countries/regions have.

Just to clarify. WSOP/888 had 33% of the NJ online market in January. The also had about a third of the players at Svenska Spel.

Which would indicate that the similar populations have a similar number of players today.

This would make it unlikely that NJ online poker will be able to grow significantly. Maybe double at best (considering plenty of Swedes play abroad while less New Jerseyans likely do). Even so, with several networks they will struggle.

I live northern in NJ, love poker and would not sign onto one of these sites. I always worry about collusion. I also work from home and worry a little about the distraction during working hours.

If you are not from this area, you might not realize that NJ is basically split between North and South. North is mostly a suburb of NYC. South is mostly a Suburb to Philly and/or has easy access to AC, Parx or other poker rooms. Up until a few years ago, AC supplemented the race track in northern NJ with the agreement that it would not convert to a "racesino". During that time casinos with great poker rooms opened in all the neighboring states. These alternatives to AC have also had a negative impact to the online poker business in NJ

However, if there was a "poker room" in Northern NJ that allowed players to physically play the game face to face on a computer tablet with 8-10 seats/screens - say at the meadowland complex where Metlife stadium is - it would quickly become one of the biggest and most successful rooms in the USA. This is what is used on some cruise ships that advertise they have poker available. It would draw players from northern NJ, NYC and rest of the tri-state area. It could turn things around for online poker in NJ and the meadowlands (IMO).
Just saying

So basically you just won't play online poker at all because with online poker in general you (1) fear collusion; and (2) don't want it to distract you. So it has nothing to do with anything about these sites in particular.

regular poker players like myself will always choose live poker in AC over the current internet options. If internet poker wants to succeed in NJ, there is a very simple solution

1. let pokerstars in
2. let people deposit money onto the site via credit cards

afaik, state of NJ has not bothered to do either of these things, until that happens they are not going to make any money, because noone is going to play there until these 2 things happen

Well, technically they have the option for credit cards. It just never works

1 state or a couple states even will not have enuf player pools to make a good
site .
without nationwide and row the sites are gunna faulter
its just the facts that you need to player pool to make an acceptable site.
without access to the player pools its just weak .

I don't see why everyone claims the NJ sites are so unacceptable and have no action. Every night there's like 20+ 1/2 NLHE games running across the sites. What more do people expect from a small network?

For the sites to really blow up, it's going to require interstate compacts, but we already knew that. The state-by-state rollout is still in its newborn stage. Let's not rush to label it successful or unsuccessful just yet. The sites NEED to walk before they can run. Actual users of the NJ sites realize this a lot better than anyone else.

Hmm, where did you read that?

Those banging their baby rattle for overnight success are whom I am referring to. Why, do you think **most** online poker players are that naive? I certainly don't.

Sorry I'm cpu stupid and out of the loop, what do you mean exactly when you say geolocation errors cost you money? If they think you're not in NJ they just sieze your money?

Pretty much what he said summarizes it. It is absurdly difficult and unnecessarily cumbersome to do the very basic stuff, including depositing and playing. This is 2015. 10+ years after Stars has shown the entire world what a good functioning software and online poker organization should look like... how difficult is it to replicate it? and Borgata and everyone else in AC use products and have services as if it's 1995. Hey Borgata/Caesars and all others in NJ: Netscape called and they want you to stop using their interface.

If Stars was running a site in NJ, I bet it would have 10x the traffic of the largest/most popular existing site in the state.

Exactly. I play in nj it's doing fine for a one state site.

Wow if thats true then lol at the whiners. DE has a poker site as in 1, uno, that maxes at 4-5 tables at peak times and thats it. 4-5 tables.... Even the off shore site I play on now doesnt have 20+ 1/2 nl gams going ever.

Of course. The vast majority of companies never break-even. Making a profit in the within the first few years is a huge thing.