Earlier this year in LA I was playing 5/10 in the Commerce. There was a hardy old fella from NY in the game in seat 3 playing very loosely and very spewily. There was another rec in seat 4. Seat 4 gets up and leaves. Seat 7 is an Eastern European pro playing 10/7/3 stats and hasn't said a word to anyone for a few hours. He notices seat 4 getting up and takes his face out his ipad and says to the dealer "eiiiii take dat seeeet." Seat 3 waits til he is half way across the table and, clearly knowing what was going on, says "I'm taking it! You can take my old seat!" and the reg goes nvm and goes back to his old seat.

**** like this happens all the time at 2/5 and above all over the world. Recs need a wee bit of protection.

The players would adapt easily without a hitch. The burden on the dealers would not increase at all.

LOL.

The players would adapt easily without a hitch. The burden on the dealers would not increase at all.

ya its ****ing disgusting, live "pros" are super AIDS. ive started hitting and running when i stack a nitty reg because of how much i hate them, games havnt been great lately so even better reason to not play long sessions.

i dont think ive seat changed in years for position, its predatory as ****. maybe once or twice per year so i can see the TV for NHL, as sometimes you get a sheit seat for viewing. but ive never has any thoughts about getting position on a superfish. if i happen to be in a good spot ill just accept that.

id love for a perma change to allow only 1 seat change per table for the day, you would be surprised if it was implemented it how much other regs would police it.

Yeah, sure .... what poker needs to encourage recs to play are MORE rules arguments at the table between regs and calling the floor over.....

fwiw, the only times I recall seat changing are related to entertainment (live or televised) or to get into position on some nit regs in order to button- straddle them into abject misery.

button straddling is theoretically -EV lol, unsure why nit reg would care

I see more recs changing seats more frequently than I do bumhunters. And it has nothing to do with getting position on a weaker player.

I'm all for keeping them happy and letting them do whatever they want.


--klez

assuming you have edge on field... plz explain.

All the arguments I see for button straddling possibly being +EV because it raises the stakes of the game, makes others uncomfortable, etc., fail to mention the biggest thing that's very hard to overcome: you're putting money in blind with ALL of your hands (from AA to 72o), and there are far more bad hands than good hands. And it's twice the size of the BB. If you look on PokerTracker (or similar) at anyone's results sorted by position, even in the weakest games their BB/100 is always a big negative number (by far the biggest) for the BB position. Live won't be different than online in that respect. You might say "but the button has position." But the difference in BB/100 between the BB and UTG is huge, and there's basically no positional difference between them, which shows how much putting the money in blind with the entire range of possible hands is a disadvantage. You can't overcome putting in 2BB blind holding 83o with skill advantage.

I love when players straddle because I get to play in a game where the stakes are now double, but I only have to play in it when I have a big hand without ever having to pay that double-sized big blind myself! If I'm playing 2/5, it's like playing 5/10 only when I have a big hand without ever having to post $10 blind!

The problem winning players should have with button straddles is that it incentives bad players to put money into the pot when they are in position, rather than out of position. From my experience button straddles aren't going to fold to a preflop raise much and live players are calling stations so you're forced to tighten your raising range.

Most importantly, the button straddle discourages players from straddling UTG which is exactly where you should want your opponents to straddle because it incentives them to put money in from a disadvantageous position which they will of course defend at a very high frequency.

Yes.

I've always heard that it makes it a short stacked game in that a larger proportion of a players stack goes in preflop and on the flop when decisions are supposedly easier and less money is left for the harder decisions on the turn and river so they end up making smaller mistakes than otherwise.

Frankly, I find staddling as boring as hell but bomb pots are fun.

i wish there was a way to enforce this
i'll change of the 1 or 9 bc i hate those seats but that's about it
If people arent scum you're gonna have position on each other half the time anyway
I have a few crappy regs who seat hop me and it's pathetic
I've told a few they're scum bc they do the same to big fish

What's funny is actual good players never do this
Yes it sucks to have a good agro player on my direct left but you know what? some days it's reversed so just deal with it

I had one ask me for a ride back from parx to borgata and told him don't be a piece of **** and maybe people will do you favors

The people you want to change the most are the least likely to change. They know what they’re doing and they don’t care. Accept that the game isn’t what it used to be and it won’t go back to what it was. It is out of your control. Choose to make peace with it and work with what’s there or move on from the game.

I couldn’t make peace with it and chose to play plo instead. It’s the best poker decision I’ve made in a long time

I often wonder why folks make categorical general statements, then lol at their pronouncement.

As a general matter playing poker is itself - EV.

I don't know or care why nit regs get upset about this or that, I just have observed they often do do by the third round.

I am with you... Why do I want to stop bum hunting?

Because putting money in blind is worse than putting in zero money. Not that hard to understand really.