Ok guys I think there’s too much focus on the “lie” aspect of it. If he was more competent he could have lied by omission. “Is there any proof of that?” “Why does he think that’s the case?” “Of course I tried my best to look at his past hands, I’m sure he did the same to me.” etc

In a legal situation that is adversarial, it’s never a good idea to give the other side more information if you don’t have to.

That being said I stand by “lesson learned” that if you have tens of thousands on the line, it probably makes sense to get real legal representation and not to run in there like Leroy Jenkins thinking you’re going to rawdog the arbitration process.

Paint knew that using Brandon's database was MORALLY wrong.

When he was put on the spot, he had a guilty conscience and felt uncomfortable about telling the truth and made a mistake by lying. However, that doesn't make him a cheater.

And it's definitely not a reason to lose the match even though he was crushing Brandon for 20bb/100.

what state did this happen in? lets see if there is an appeals process

The money has been paid, so I suspect that ship has sailed. It seems unlikely that the victims would give the money back.

It wasn’t even a real, legally binding arbitration. It was just randos on discord.

I think there needs to be a third arbitration review. With a new set of arbs. The discussion should be directed around did these HH review result in a 20 big blind advantage over his opponent.

I don’t think that he will get the money back from the side bets, however I do think that he can be vindicated in some way.

Or simply make the hand histories vs him public and let us review this decision.

Or maybe I am wrong and he has some ultra epic HH river bet that is 20b/100 and at least then a few of us may be able to steal the Strat and crush Stefan, Linus and munez heads up.

if both agreed on forehand to respect the outcome of the arbitration you cannot complain and ask for another one if you dont like the outcome

I think its a too harsh ruling too but unless its proven the arbitration has malicious intent (which im sure they had not) you gotta respect and adhere to the ruling

Of course this isn't a legal procedure, but appeals are pretty standard in most countries, no?

If this is USA then sue them. If it’s not USA then pay off the police and or criminals to get your money back. Or just do it yourself.

Do you honestly think Brandon didn't know Pinnock was coaching Paint? He didn't care about the database (rightfully so) until he lost.

Did the arb panel have access to communication between Kevin Rabichow and Brandon? I would've assume that they'd talk about it in that case. Because then, Brandon blatantly lied in his statement:
"Here, had I known that my former coach, Thomas Pinnock, would be coaching my opponent, Cole Keenan, and with a profit stake in the outcome, I would never have agreed to the terms of the challenge."

If Brandon didnt know his former coach would be coaching Cole that right there is reason enough to make the challenge void

what state did what happen in? the arbitration decision? N/A. There were 5 arbitrators that live in different parts of the world.

appeal what and to whom? Parties agreed to have some people privately decide their case. This is not 'arbitration' in a legal sense, you can only appeal legal decisions.

Unless Brandon specifically asked for a rule stipulating his opponent could not employ any of his former coaches, I don't think this even matters.

i dont think so in this unusual instance where both parties agreed forehand that they adhere to the outcome, normally you wouldnt do that and an appeal is more standard

but this doesnt change my feel that OP has been duped, i just also feel that if you agreed forehand that whatever the outcome is you'll adhere to it you set yourself up for a negative ruling with no appeal

No, that is exactly what arbitration is.

nope try again


you can have binding and non binding arbitration. In many states, both are appealable. In this instance, OP got scammed and there should be a new community thread discussing how he got scammed from the communities perspective.

We cannot allow seemingly unbiased poker players to make non appealable decisions regarding $100k of players money. That is not a standard that should be allowed to transpire.

Every single arbiter should be ashamed of themselves.

I'd really like to know the terms of the challenge. Was data mining allowed?

Also, at what point did Brandon suspect the arbiter was in a conflict of interest? Taking OP on face value, he twigged only after the decision.

How did the panel prove access to a 2 year old database gave Paint an unfair advantage in their match, as played? How did Brandon show this? By comparing HHs from the match to HHs he data mined? Or was Paint just taking weird lines in certain spots?

Brandon lost 48k over how many hands?

Lmao at being scammed. Jfc nvg is nutlow.

lol
used a database he knew he shouldn't have had access to.
lied about it.
then claims it wasn't important.
if it wasn't important he wouldn't have used it and wouldn't have lied about it.
but yea he just looked at it for 15 mins likely story.

I don't tnink you need to prove that a 2 year old database has given an unfair advantage too much
Just more that they had access to database and used it. Similar to that if someone was caught using RTA and was still losing, you wouldn't say 'need to prove how rta is giving unfair advantage', just the matter of using RTA would be DQ worthy.

Feel like the point of arbitration here is 'would the match happened if brown knew paint would be using unethically sourced hands with all hole cards known' and the likely answer is no (or would it, people here claiming he already knew? Not sure about that though).

That should be potentially match being voided and that's why people feel like it arb result was too harsh having to pay everything back (and why it's silly he paid side bet) but can see after being constantly misled in arbitration and lied to repeatedly why they came up with harsher punishment.

Why do you think he shouldn’t have had access to it?

A higher stake HU reg shouldn’t care at all what a reg two stakes lowers knows about his game.

Massively dumb take. Irrelevant.
So biased lol.


Fwiw, paint lied about a few things and every time something more extreme happened.

'didn't look at db' - > 'looked at preflop for 5 mins' - > 'looking at river exploit'. Etc etc.

Oh yea? Why isn’t it relevant. You’re assuming looking at a database will help the worse player gain an edge over the better player, yes or no?