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06-27-2011 , 06:36 AM
has anyone considered maybe jungle/dogishead/sauce (one of them) is his backer??
06-27-2011 , 06:39 AM
I'm the backer.
06-27-2011 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfnsjns
has anyone considered maybe jungle/dogishead/sauce (one of them) is his backer??
Are you suggesting that either Jungleman, Dog is Head or Sauce logged into Jose's account from a different location and played (a.k.a. ghosted) on it?

Edit: never mind, seems the backer has come forward...?
06-27-2011 , 06:43 AM
no no, im suggesting they backed him, and then his story is true. they logged into his account and checked balance, saw juicy games, ended up playing plo and lost 30k. idk, seems to make sense to me
06-27-2011 , 06:46 AM
I was joking! I don't have money for nothing. But I think someone spoke about the backer on the earlier posts
06-27-2011 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
I'm not the first to notice, put it that way. People have been banned for very minor things in the past related to certain higher profile members on these forums.
OMG the conspiracy. Please cite one time when this has happened.
06-27-2011 , 06:53 AM
its the 2p2 mafia with gregorio as don corleone. you try to silence masq because he speaks the truth and you cant handle the truth! seriously plz ban masq he shouldve been banned yrs ago
06-27-2011 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfnsjns
no no, im suggesting they backed him, and then his story is true. they logged into his account and checked balance, saw juicy games, ended up playing plo and lost 30k. idk, seems to make sense to me
Logging into someone else's account and playing on it is the definition of ghosting. I see your point but that is what it is...

The only problem with your theory is that if it's true, why should people believe it was the first time it ever happened? ***note to readers, I am not saying this is what happened lol, just thinking through sdfsnsjns' suggestion ***
06-27-2011 , 07:00 AM
i guess ur right. i believe him100% because i know him have played him and seen him play. but others might doubt him, maybe thats why he didnt reveal name of backer...
06-27-2011 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
As a moderator of the forum aren't you meant to be impartial and not take sides?

It's nothing new though....everyone knows about the biases that exist on this forum and the wrath that's taken against those that speak against the "elite 2p2 circle"

I noticed that Mr José started blocking people on twitter so they can't write to him asking legit questions. Nothing to hide of course though...
I'm not sure how it works on 2+2 but on other forums a moderator is just another member unless he signs his posts with /MOD.
06-27-2011 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfnsjns
its the 2p2 mafia with gregorio as don corleone. you try to silence masq because he speaks the truth and you cant handle the truth! seriously plz ban masq he shouldve been banned yrs ago
unfortunately for you,since masq is part of the twoplustwo elite inner circle, I now have to ban you for your comments against him.
06-27-2011 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
OMG the conspiracy. Please cite one time when this has happened.
Numerous dog is head threads have been locked/deleted and in some cases the OP has been banned. It's a bit difficult trying to find threads which have been deleted. Threads relating to his abilities have disappeared despite the exorbitant sums of money he tried to charge people for coaching. Wasn't he once upon a time a moderator on this forum and now is no longer?
06-27-2011 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
unfortunately for you,since masq is part of the twoplustwo elite inner circle, I now have to ban you for your comments against him.
nice!
06-27-2011 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfnsjns
its the 2p2 mafia with gregorio as don corleone. you try to silence masq because he speaks the truth and you cant handle the truth! seriously plz ban masq he shouldve been banned yrs ago
lol, who are you? Go contribute something instead of wasting your time trying to defend your buddy.

He doesn't answer the questions, he blocks people on twitter and ignores people willing to take his bet. Keep going champ.
06-27-2011 , 07:48 AM
dont ban masq...solid poster, something is definetly not right about all of this thats for certain......
06-27-2011 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Masq
lol, who are you? Go contribute something instead of wasting your time trying to defend your buddy.

He doesn't answer the questions, he blocks people on twitter and ignores people willing to take his bet. Keep going champ.
GirahPoker José Maria Macedo
@
@Dan1elEgen I don't have 2m to bet, if you wanna put up 100-600k we can find an escrow in the HS community I'm sure. PM me on 2p2 or Skype.
45 minutes ago

GirahPoker José Maria Macedo
Just so you guys know, I have never and will never block anyone on Twitter (I don't know how to :P). Everyone's free to say what they want!
1 hour ago

really does seem like hes ignoring everyone on twitter and not answering his bets. youre so **** dumb
06-27-2011 , 08:03 AM
My mistake - i'm not someone that looks on twitter all the time and hadn't seen that reply. Just i'd seen that person had sent him tweets asking him to reply here that disappeared later on.

Bit weird though how he ignored the questions posed here and could easily clear his name but decides to put up a challenge rather than try his best to assure everyone he's the real deal. I think FWF nailed it earlier on about his challenge.
06-27-2011 , 08:17 AM
Can't believe someone has offered to place a bet on all this ($2m wtf??), I understand the gambling culture lol but you'd surely think this is an issue of reputation, clearing your name and refuting accusations... Anyway, unless you've got more money than sense, if someone actually wants to make a bet you'd better make the terms of reference very clear, seeing as one person has access to all the information.

Jose's specific bet stated:

"I am willing to bet up to 600k that everything I have said about myself in every single post/thread/interview is true. I will back this up by whatever means necessary: playing with a camera for 3 months and 100k hands and tracking my results to prove I'm real and not "ghosted" by Jungleman/Dogishead/Sauce, revealing my past SN's and logging in on those accounts (this would take a large bet for obvious reasons), posting photographs/ID card/bank statements, getting my entire database independently reviewed for collusion/foul-play of any sort, testimonials from European High-Stakes regs who played me in the past, testimonials from mid-stakes coaches and players who have nothing to do with Jungleman/Sauce/Dogishead and have known me for over a year, some kind of live questionnaire on my poker knowledge with a camera etc."

I should say that I consider the majority of this bet, as stated above, to be a diversion - these aren't the questions that were asked over 2 months ago. People accept that Jose is a real human being who is very good at online poker - so interviews / webcam footage of him playing are irrelevant right off the bat. Testimonials from other players? Irrelevant. Interview asking about poker knowledge?? We know Jose knows about poker lol. Bank statements / ID etc. aren't enough since people aren't suggesting that his name isn't tied to the poker accounts. The proof sought is that he has been the sole player on all his accounts from the very beginning.

So I'd suggest that if anybody does go through with it, that the following information is requested:

1. Details of the other violations referred to by Lock & name of the 'rogue backer'

2. All screennames & hand histories relating to the various Euro accounts as per the OP HEM screenshot.

3. Request from the poker sites to provide a list of all ip addresses that all of the previous accounts played from. There honestly shouldn't be more than a handful in total, even accounting for dynamic ip addresses; at the very least, 99% of them should be based in Jose's home city in Portugal since he was a schoolkid during that time and presumably not travelling very much. In addition, it's reasonable to assume that playing times are appropriate (i.e. not during school hours, and not at 4am in the morning Portuguese time on a school night - at least not on a regular basis anyway)

4. All transfer histories to and from from those accounts

5. All cashout histories from those accounts

~~~~~

Might seem like a lot to ask, but if people are putting vast sums of money forward, by the end of it it needs to be very obvious what the truth is, there can't be any leeway to cause dispute.
06-27-2011 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
What rankles me even more than the people who think girah is not who he says, are the people who are throwing around allegations against jungleman that he is using that account to multiaccount. Those accusations are completely baseless afaik, and it's pretty ****ty to post things like below about jungleman without any proof. Is there any shred of evidence that Jungleman ever played on girah's account? I think anyone making accusations like this without offering proof should be banned. Jungelman has a good name in the poker community and people shouldn't accuse him of multiaccounting without proof.
+1 seriously how has this been ignored?
06-27-2011 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RangeyMcTriplmerge
Can't believe someone has offered to place a bet on all this ($2m wtf??), I understand the gambling culture lol but you'd surely think this is an issue of reputation, clearing your name and refuting accusations... Anyway, unless you've got more money than sense, if someone actually wants to make a bet you'd better make the terms of reference very clear, seeing as one person has access to all the information.

Jose's specific bet stated:

"I am willing to bet up to 600k that everything I have said about myself in every single post/thread/interview is true. I will back this up by whatever means necessary: playing with a camera for 3 months and 100k hands and tracking my results to prove I'm real and not "ghosted" by Jungleman/Dogishead/Sauce, revealing my past SN's and logging in on those accounts (this would take a large bet for obvious reasons), posting photographs/ID card/bank statements, getting my entire database independently reviewed for collusion/foul-play of any sort, testimonials from European High-Stakes regs who played me in the past, testimonials from mid-stakes coaches and players who have nothing to do with Jungleman/Sauce/Dogishead and have known me for over a year, some kind of live questionnaire on my poker knowledge with a camera etc."

I should say that I consider the majority of this bet, as stated above, to be a diversion - these aren't the questions that were asked over 2 months ago. People accept that Jose is a real human being who is very good at online poker - so interviews / webcam footage of him playing are irrelevant right off the bat. Testimonials from other players? Irrelevant. Interview asking about poker knowledge?? We know Jose knows about poker lol. Bank statements / ID etc. aren't enough since people aren't suggesting that his name isn't tied to the poker accounts. The proof sought is that he has been the sole player on all his accounts from the very beginning.

So I'd suggest that if anybody does go through with it, that the following information is requested:

1. Details of the other violations referred to by Lock & name of the 'rogue backer'

2. All screennames & hand histories relating to the various Euro accounts as per the OP HEM screenshot.

3. Request from the poker sites to provide a list of all ip addresses that all of the previous accounts played from. There honestly shouldn't be more than a handful in total, even accounting for dynamic ip addresses; at the very least, 99% of them should be based in Jose's home city in Portugal since he was a schoolkid during that time and presumably not travelling very much. In addition, it's reasonable to assume that playing times are appropriate (i.e. not during school hours, and not at 4am in the morning Portuguese time on a school night - at least not on a regular basis anyway)

4. All transfer histories to and from from those accounts

5. All cashout histories from those accounts

~~~~~

Might seem like a lot to ask, but if people are putting vast sums of money forward, by the end of it it needs to be very obvious what the truth is, there can't be any leeway to cause dispute.
GO OUTSIDE
06-27-2011 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pbowenroe
GO OUTSIDE
Ahaha
06-27-2011 , 12:12 PM
This thread will probably end up in the mod forum today depending on how much time I have, b/c I'm really not comfortable that allegations about people ghosting/MA-ing on Girah's account are being thrown about with no evidence, so I'm going to get some other opinions. So if this thread disappears, it's gone to the mod forum, and may or may not return, but that won't be up to me.

If you wish to suggest that people are ghosting/MA-ing on girah's account, then collect a bunch of his hand histories and compare how he plays to how the person you think ghosting/MAing his account plays. Show that there are statistically significant similarities to how they play, and that the way they play is statistically-significantly different enough than how other people play to support the idea that there is a single person playing on both accounts. Until you can do something like this, you have no right to make such serious an allegation as calling someone out for MA-ing/ghosting to get action.
06-27-2011 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pbowenroe
GO OUTSIDE
lol thanks for the concern

Btw, your average no. of posts per day is 3.5 whereas mine is 2.96. Technically you are actually 18% more in need of going outside than me. Just sayin'...
06-27-2011 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
This thread will probably end up in the mod forum today depending on how much time I have, b/c I'm really not comfortable that allegations about people ghosting/MA-ing on Girah's account are being thrown about with no evidence, so I'm going to get some other opinions. So if this thread disappears, it's gone to the mod forum, and may or may not return, but that won't be up to me.

If you wish to suggest that people are ghosting/MA-ing on girah's account, then collect a bunch of his hand histories and compare how he plays to how the person you think ghosting/MAing his account plays. Show that there are statistically significant similarities to how they play, and that the way they play is statistically-significantly different enough than how other people play to support the idea that there is a single person playing on both accounts. Until you can do something like this, you have no right to make such serious an allegation as calling someone out for MA-ing/ghosting to get action.
Good one, solid reasons. If we think for a second that this is all a big conspiracy theory, there are some good names thrown in the pot that surelly don't deserve to.
06-27-2011 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
This thread will probably end up in the mod forum today depending on how much time I have, b/c I'm really not comfortable that allegations about people ghosting/MA-ing on Girah's account are being thrown about with no evidence, so I'm going to get some other opinions. So if this thread disappears, it's gone to the mod forum, and may or may not return, but that won't be up to me.

If you wish to suggest that people are ghosting/MA-ing on girah's account, then collect a bunch of his hand histories and compare how he plays to how the person you think ghosting/MAing his account plays. Show that there are statistically significant similarities to how they play, and that the way they play is statistically-significantly different enough than how other people play to support the idea that there is a single person playing on both accounts. Until you can do something like this, you have no right to make such serious an allegation as calling someone out for MA-ing/ghosting to get action.

This sounds like a great idea. Bit of a problem however in that the screennames relating to the original HEM screenshot haven't been disclosed. So unless the hand histories are actually sent to someone, this is obviously impossible to do.

      
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