Straight up BALLIN', Son!

Agreed. It seems to me that everyone has taken the Elon Musk point of view without actually considering any alternative whatsoever. There are plenty of bright minds out there who don't think the world is a simulation, who don't think automation is a doomed process enslaving us to robots and who don't think they need to put a statue of themselves in orbit around Mars.

LOL at the guy with the Drivehud avatar making post after post saying "AI isn't a problem guys".

You're living in New York so you obviously have no idea about the state of the game.

I pay 8 bb/100 in Rake at 25 NL. That's very standard. I play 1000 hands an hour. Again standard. So when I play for 6 hours I pay 120 dollars in Rake at 25 NL tables.

And then you have to beat the Bots as well.

Saying that 25 NL is easy to beat makes you totally delusional and proves that you are completely removed from the state of online poker games today.

Ya every now and again a fish donks off when you have KK but for the most part people play very tough and solid.

Millions of people play online poker every day, but there are hardly any massive success stories. An OtbRedBaron or Truteller coming along is like gold dust nowadays.

Sorry, but you have no idea about the state of the games. I'd bet my shirt on you not being able to beat 25 NL over 100k hands.

I wouldn't listen to him. I've seen his kind before - they run hot at ~8b/100 over a sample of ~30k hands, they get lucky to run into a few fish on the times they do play, then they conclude games must be ridiculously soft.

It's no coincidence that players like him disappear from poker altogether within 1-2 years. I've witnessed it myself first hand. I know 2 guys in real life who claimed online was still extremely soft. They both briefly went pro for 1 year. It's no coincidence that they left the game a year later, citing the reason "I have moved onto different things" i.e. my hot run wore off, my results regressed to the mean and I realized games were actually a lot tougher than I thought.

He's also from New York, so his experience is limited to US-facing sites.

I guess it will take longer for tournament than cash games, SNG might be already A.I. infested, cash games will be next and then finally MTTs. I guess 5years maximum.

This statement right here means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Nobody is going to listen to you, period because you are a notorious troll on 2+2 at this point and keep bullhorning the same point of view over, and over, and over. Everyone knows how you feel about the game so why you continue to waste day after day of your life repeating it is beyond all of us. We really can't believe that this is how you've decided to spend your one life.

That you insist only a handful of people in the entire world are professional online players is laughable, ridiculous, and totally false. It's just too tough for your liking these days, you feel bitter because you spent a ton of time and money on the game, and at this point you really, really don't want to see someone come around and be successful in the ways that you were not. NONE of this isn't crystal clear to anyone reading your posts. You're completely transparent. You also have zero credibility on these forums. Every time you sit down and write a post: You're wasting your time. Nobody is listening to your advice, most aren't even reading your posts anymore, and you're accomplishing absolutely nothing of any gain whatsoever. You're totally and completely wasting your life on here complaining about a game rather than doing what the rest of us are doing which is working on it, improving, and moving up in stakes. It's pathetic and gives many of us a hearty laugh on a daily basis. You're a known joke on 2+2 whether you choose to accept that reality or not.

Basically, you can sum up their entire argument to sheer bs when you see them keep pointing to "well, you're on a heater right now and that's why you're winning". So, as long as I'm 'on a heater' the bots, regs, and AI aren't powerful enough to stop me but when I'm not 'on a heater' they're so overpowering and unstoppable that managing even 1bb/100 is impossible? No way, doesn't add up, doesn't make sense.

Move along, folks. Absolutely nothing to see here but bitterness from guys who just refuse to work hard and don't have the emotional and intestinal fortitude for poker here in 2018.

Many people share my view re: bots, AI, and the general state of online poker. I'm sure plenty of people read these threads and at least think twice about things like bots, rake, whether to turn pro etc. That's good enough for me. I know not everyone will agree with me. Clearly you don't, and that's fine.

I do play by the way, I just don't like to waste my time battling regs in high rake games, where you have to put in massive amounts of concentration and energy, and even making a tiny mistake completely destroys your win rate. I prefer to table select/bum hunt good games and sit out when I'm unsure if I have an edge. Which is what most savvy players do these days.

I consider myself a savvy player because while you were writing this, I was at the tables winning. Enjoy your Friday night and keep on fighting the good fight, man. I do respect anyone who at least expresses passion for something and you have certainly done that much. Obviously this isn't a personal matter, I just think it would be nice if you didn't exaggerate the challenges of the poker landscape to the extent that you do.

I mean - the games on WPN and BetOnline could not be any softer right now @ the stakes you guys are referring to. It's just win, win, win on a Friday night.

It's not solved per say, but its solved enough to make human obsolete. its all you need for poker you dont need to 'solve it' entirely

its gonna happen, the goal here is to make sure the pokersite will do enough to prevent it from being rampant and making it extremely painful if youre found out

It would be much harder to make a bot for tournaments. You would have to teach it how to play with different stack depths. You would have to teach it ICM and Bubble play. You would have to teach it how to play heads up with varying stacks when there are only two people left in the tournament. You would have to teach it how to play pre and post ante.

So you are the one who has no idea what he is talking about.

yes it's more complicated in MTTs but it certainly is doable

also bots don't make deals

yes sir nice post

Yah cos gorgeous girls are just lining up to date online pro poker players hahaha

I don't think you quite understand: It's the money they're interested in (women), not the actual job title. If a guy's title was "toilet cleaner" and yet he netted $250k+, they'd date him in a heartbeat. So yeah...a 22 year old kid making 6 figures at online poker is probably going to have a lot of options available to him that the average guy his age may not.

And this is why we can't have nice things.