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How is Chino considered a seasoned pro? How is Chino considered a seasoned pro?

11-16-2008 , 02:54 PM
When ESPN announcers referred to Rheem's "colleagues" rooting for him on the sidelines, was "colleagues" secret code for other guys who paid Rheem's 10k entry fee and each own a percentage of his winnings?

After taxes, paying off backers and settling old debts, will he even clear a couple hundred thousand?

So is he a seasoned pro? I'd say he's a probationary intern. How's that?

And slightly off topic, but mentioned by someone earlier, how the **** did Scott Montgomery ever make this final table, much less any other final tables??

Just sipping the Haterade™

Last edited by Zappa; 11-16-2008 at 02:56 PM. Reason: Just thought of something else to add. Even more pointless than the rest of what I've already typed.
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11-16-2008 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Outdraw Picasso
ya, it's just annoying when you see them classify people as being pros by their reputation in the poker circuit. so annoying to see them call people amateurs when they play professionally..
Yeh, I guess Chino is a live major tournament regular. That makes him a "seasoned pro". I am sure he is a professional player, but maybe not a terribly successful one.

Eastgate played 25/50 NL regularly. I guess this is online. That usually indicates a very strong pro.

Not suprised to see Eastgate and Demidov HU. They were perhaps the two best players and both had big stacks.

Think Ylon is probably a pro too. Maybe one or two others. That Phillips seems like a donk, but most were OK players at the FT, if not big names.
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11-19-2008 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Smerkone
Lol. Ok. Fine. In the sense they were both broke Chino Rheem is like Stu Unger.

I have a checking account. In that situation I'm exactly like Bill Gates because he has a checking account. I'm also a painter. You know who else was a painter? Hitler. So in that context I'm just like Hitler.

Glad we cleared that up.
Hey Smerkone, I'm a human being just like you, so you and I are EXACTLY alike as well. Wait...I have a checking account too, yeah baby!! Im just like Bill gates!!!
Dude made an analogy...not only did you take it out of context, but were being a dick in the process. As another poster said, you have to be hard headed and not admit to being wrong. Just give it up, man. But instead you reply and say something as absurd to comparing yourself to Bill Gates and Hitler when everyone can make that same comparison, according to your stupidass logic.
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11-19-2008 , 06:58 PM
Does anyone know the definition of a professional? Just in case you do not...


pro⋅fes⋅sion⋅al   /prəˈfɛʃənl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.
2. of, pertaining to, or connected with a profession: professional studies.
3. appropriate to a profession: professional objectivity.
4. engaged in one of the learned professions: A lawyer is a professional person.
5. following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer.
6. making a business or constant practice of something not properly to be regarded as a business: “A salesman,” he said, “is a professional optimist.”
7. undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball.
8. of or for a professional person or his or her place of business or work: a professional apartment; professional equipment.
9. done by a professional; expert: professional car repairs.
–noun 10. a person who belongs to one of the professions, esp. one of the learned professions. 11. a person who earns a living in a sport or other occupation frequently engaged in by amateurs: professional.
12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.
13. a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional
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11-22-2008 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16
I guess the question of the day would then be....

So, how much do you think Chino is left over with after paying off debts. I saw him borrow 20k from PapaWarbucks on stars just over a week ago and before that askin Hansen for 50k on TIlt. So, in your opinion do you think he even profited from this big score? If so, how much after taxes and debts were paid off?
I ran into Kirk Morrison at a bar near my house, and he mentioned that Chino only had 40% of himself, so do the math, still not much.
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11-22-2008 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by UltraLoose13
Chino being broke [doesn't] necessarily have anything to do with poker. I didn't say it DID or DIDN'T. The OP says how can Chino be a seasoned pro?! Or be succesful pro and be broke?!

I know a succesful sales person who recently declared bankruptcy. One has nothing to do with the other. You can say he fails in life. Fair enough. Or he fails at managing his money. Fair enough. But he IS STILL a succesful sales person. He goes to work. Makes tons of money. Has been doing this for a decade. Nobody doubts his salesmanship. His life management? Yes.

By all accounts, he is a succesful and seasoned SALESPERSON. Do you see how this works? Have you ever met somebody good at there job that makes good money but is always broke?! Do you see my point? Maybe you have 10,000 a month mortgage payments. Maybe you have an expensive drug habit. You have an infinity for the Pits. You can be a winning poker player and live beyond your means and be broke in 100 different ways that have nothing to do with how succesful you are on the FELT.

Anyhow,
Chino has been around for years and years. Chino has been playing FT as a living FAR longer than any of the other guys on the FT. By this definition, he was the "seasoned" pro. Somebody else made a great point. If another pro with MORE experience was at the FT, than Chino would no longer have been referred to as a "seasoned" pro.
I got a infinity for the pits yo....i'll crop bet ya on that....

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11-22-2008 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SinOrSwim
Watching the preview show and the ME, I kept hearing them refer to Chino as a seasoned pro, successful, the favorite from experience etc.

Yet, they refer to him being busto and in debt. How can you be a successful pro and not have any money????

Not trying to dog on the guy, just curious how that works?

Because he's on TV.
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11-23-2008 , 02:17 AM
Everyone who ever makes a WSOP Final Table is a pro, obviously.
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11-23-2008 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by thebigeasy59
I don't think they would have said anything about Chino being 'seasoned' if Allen/Phil/Matusow/Cantu made the FT. Without having one of those guys get there, they knew that this FT delay was going to be essentially worthless because of how hard it would be to market 9 people that nobody had ever heard of. If one of those 4 made the FT, the whole "November 9" thing would have been a lot more successful, but since none of them did, they had to pick someone that people interested in poker MAY have ever heard of, and Chino was the obvious pick since he had already made a final table this year and had made another televised FT in which Allen Cunningham won. The fact that he's not a generic white upper class guy is icing on the cake.
The whole thing would be successful and meaningful if Johnny Chen makes to the final table...
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11-23-2008 , 05:40 AM
Just to get my two cents in,

Chino has been around the poker scene for as long as I can remember and has several final tables at the WSOP, before his 7th place finish.

He is definitely a seasoned pro.

Congratulations David, I hope someday you have a better payday than this one!

Shawn Keller
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11-23-2008 , 01:41 PM
anyone in the world can say he or her is a pro!
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11-23-2008 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn Keller
Just to get my two cents in,

Chino has been around the poker scene for as long as I can remember and has several final tables at the WSOP, before his 7th place finish.

He is definitely a seasoned pro.

Congratulations David, I hope someday you have a better payday than this one!

Shawn Keller
So sounds like the statement that Chino was the seasoned pro at the table is accurate.

A lot of the regular live tournament players are not that strong players. That could be the reason he was apparently broke, but there are plenty of other possibilities.

Eastgate is apparently a successful high states cash NLHE player, but at 24 he cannot be called a seasoned pro.
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11-23-2008 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Go@T
I ran into Kirk Morrison at a bar near my house, and he mentioned that Chino only had 40% of himself, so do the math, still not much.
barry g says he had even less:


Chino was broke and got staked into the event. Several people had a piece and they got 7% for $1000, which means Chino had around 30% of himself. Chino got 100% of the endorsement deals which were substantial but would have been bigger for 5th place or better. Chino would have been set up financially for life if he won. As it was, Chino ended up with a little more than enough to pay off his debts and make-up, after taxes.

http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/show...1&postcount=27


pretty funny ppl see him win 1.8 mill. on television and 99 % have no clue he hasn´t won ****.
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11-26-2008 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SinOrSwim
Watching the preview show and the ME, I kept hearing them refer to Chino as a seasoned pro, successful, the favorite from experience etc.

Yet, they refer to him being busto and in debt. How can you be a successful pro and not have any money????

Not trying to dog on the guy, just curious how that works?
look, chino is a good kid, but I still remember running around the bellagio and licking my chops to see what game he was in to blow off more green.

tilt factor anyone?

i was happy for him and his run, but he is going to go broke very likely and very soon.
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11-26-2008 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
So sounds like the statement that Chino was the seasoned pro at the table is accurate.

A lot of the regular live tournament players are not that strong players. That could be the reason he was apparently broke, but there are plenty of other possibilities.

Eastgate is apparently a successful high states cash NLHE player, but at 24 he cannot be called a seasoned pro.
Allow me to be the first to call bull**** on this. At 24, you could have been playing for 6 years legally and could have seen literally over a million hands.
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11-26-2008 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn Keller
Just to get my two cents in,

Chino has been around the poker scene for as long as I can remember and has several final tables at the WSOP, before his 7th place finish.

He is definitely a seasoned pro.

Congratulations David, I hope someday you have a better payday than this one!

Shawn Keller
He is pretty much a professional poker player because a pro is someone who plays full time, i'm pretty sure i saw them say tiffany michelle was a pro on one of the broadcasts. although he is a "pro" he isn't anything like negreanu, ivey or brunson.
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11-26-2008 , 10:47 PM
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11-26-2008 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by poker_prodigy
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cool million
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11-27-2008 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Wait,
Surely not
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12-15-2008 , 03:50 PM
Think of it this way. If a baseball player plays professional baseball at the highest level, AKA MLB, then you would call him a pro. To be a seasoned pro he would have to be around for I'd say at least 4-5 years. Does this mean he has to be one of the top 100 players in baseball, no.

Lets relate this to Chino. He is on the circuit consistently which is the highest level of tournament poker. He plays in some high stakes cash games. So regardless of his level of skill you would call him a pro.

I feel as though "Internet Pros" are in a different class. To play the highest stakes considered to be a pro you need to A) Have BR management B) Be successful enough to play high stakes obviously. With that said the percentage of "Internet Pros" may be "better" players.
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12-15-2008 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by steez38
matusow?
lol @ steez38 thinking OP is matusow
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12-19-2008 , 03:13 PM
Attn: Overzealous Haters

guess who's at the $15K WPT Doyle Brunson Five Diamond World Poker Classic final table?
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12-19-2008 , 03:37 PM
who cares
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12-19-2008 , 03:37 PM
Hes a thief
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12-19-2008 , 03:39 PM
guess whos crushing HSNL cash? oh
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