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10-29-2010 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kerr
587 entries and 80 payouts? WTF?
that's only 13.6%. That's actually a bit low compared to other recent live PokerStars events.
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10-29-2010 , 01:23 AM
Dear Daniel,
Please win

Signed, everyone playing The Big Game and the 100-200 on Stars
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10-29-2010 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ihateannieduke
Dn is a good human but poker has passed him by for 3 main reasons:
1) Poker's youth movement
2) His financial security
3) His massive ego
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1) Poker does not equal only NLH cash games...contrary to popular belief. He is probably worldclass still in virtually every other form of poker...just not SH NLH....oh well...

2) So he is hated for being a smart person who doesnt need to grind day 2 day for his mirrions...given the state of the games I guess he is the obvious winnar in poker.

3) Almost every great player has a big ego....Ivey has a huge ego.....Reese had a huge ego...

You guys are just pissed anyone over 30 not named Ivey gets any love from the public. DN is a great poker player just not a great NLH ring game player.

Im trying to remember if he was ever known as one actually.
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10-29-2010 , 01:30 AM
I hope D.N. makes it to the final table. Then I’m hoping someone berates him and calls the clock on him. Afterwards I am hoping that not a poker player but a poker celebrity comes out and defends the guy that berates him for providing quality television. Everyone knows that when you play poker near t.v. cameras providing entertainment definitely supersedes the application of any skill.

Wait……didn’t that already………
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10-29-2010 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OhioPlayersGang
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1) Poker does not equal only NLH cash games...contrary to popular belief. He is probably worldclass still in virtually every other form of poker...just not SH NLH....oh well...

2) So he is hated for being a smart person who doesnt need to grind day 2 day for his mirrions...given the state of the games I guess he is the obvious winnar in poker.

3) Almost every great player has a big ego....Ivey has a huge ego.....Reese had a huge ego...

You guys are just pissed anyone over 30 not named Ivey gets any love from the public. DN is a great poker player just not a great NLH ring game player.

Im trying to remember if he was ever known as one actually.
Good points made but to clarify I dont dislike him or root against him in any way. He's a good guy and some good guys have massive egos as you pretty much stated yourself. Good post just adding some clarification.
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10-29-2010 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ihateannieduke
Dn is a good human but poker has passed him by for 3 main reasons:
1) Poker's youth movement
2) His financial security
3) His massive ego
Poker has passed him up? really? he must reallly be getting old since he only made 7 WSOP final tables and a bracelet since 07 not including his 2 WSOPE ME final tables,
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10-29-2010 , 01:37 AM
I am definitely on the Go Daniel Team!

The guy has got a bit of an ego sometimes, but don't we all. We rely on it as poker players a little bit I think. I think he's a real person who actually lets you see some emotion unlike some of these online zombies that walk around.

edit: not to mention, he does post on here sometimes and I think that's kind of cool.
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10-29-2010 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by OhioPlayersGang
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1) Poker does not equal only NLH cash games...contrary to popular belief. He is probably worldclass still in virtually every other form of poker...just not SH NLH....oh well...

2) So he is hated for being a smart person who doesnt need to grind day 2 day for his mirrions...given the state of the games I guess he is the obvious winnar in poker.

3) Almost every great player has a big ego....Ivey has a huge ego.....Reese had a huge ego...

You guys are just pissed anyone over 30 not named Ivey gets any love from the public. DN is a great poker player just not a great NLH ring game player.

Im trying to remember if he was ever known as one actually.

me neither, I dont think most of the superstar pros were known for their hi-stakes NL Holdem cash game skills
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10-29-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AQsuited
Poker has passed him up? really? he must reallly be getting old since he only made 7 WSOP final tables and a bracelet since 07 not including his 2 WSOPE ME final tables,
So in 3 years of playing every event (including fields less than 100) he's made 7 final tables? I'm totally proved wrong now. I'm just being objective here. I'd love for him to be one of the best tournament players in the world but he just isn't, I'm really sorry. He used to be, not anymore. I'm really sorry
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10-29-2010 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ihateannieduke
So in 3 years of playing every event (including fields less than 100) he's made 7 final tables? I'm totally proved wrong now. I'm just being objective here. I'd love for him to be one of the best tournament players in the world but he just isn't, I'm really sorry. He used to be, not anymore. I'm really sorry
this is just WSOP results, and not too many players can say they've accomplished this much, again this game of Poker has supposedly passed up Negreanu according to the kids here
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10-29-2010 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AQsuited
me neither, I dont think most of the superstar pros were known for their hi-stakes NL Holdem cash game skills
Even Stu Ungar was like that, a top tournament player, but he sucked at cash. In tournaments he'd put pressure on smaller stacks and represent any danger possible on scary boards. But in cash games he soon lost patience, often within an hour especially if people folded easily and he only won tiny pots. Then he'd try to bully them and bluff every hand until someone called him down every street and Stu got stacked.
Stu also lacked any people management skills, where other pros smoothtalked to the fish to get a fake friendly atmosphere going, for Stu poker was about power and humiliation. He'd bully them before, and insult and mock them after they lost, chasing off all the fishy players in record time.

In a way Stu is the prototype internet player, too aggressive, no people skills, impatient, thought he was superior to everyone else even when losing, nerdy looks but in the end nothing but failure.
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10-29-2010 , 01:54 AM
LOL.....CHIP LEADER!!!!!!.... thats almost betting then winning the tournament!!!!!
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10-29-2010 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ne14dirt
I hope D.N. makes it to the final table. Then I’m hoping someone berates him and calls the clock on him. Afterwards I am hoping that not a poker player but a poker celebrity comes out and defends the guy that berates him for providing quality television. Everyone knows that when you play poker near t.v. cameras providing entertainment definitely supersedes the application of any skill.

Wait……didn’t that already………
+1
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10-29-2010 , 02:38 AM
Hey haters, Jamie Gold won pokers biggest prizes at the WSOP Main Event in 2006. He is therefore the greatest poker player in the world.
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10-29-2010 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Maso777
If you honestly think DN is a poor tournament player you should get your head checked. Do you have down syndrome or are you just some busto 25nl player who is extremely jealous of his success?
It's funny how everyone that disagrees is instantly just labelled a hater or jealous. I mean he is obviously +ev in an EPT and he is good at certain livestuff but I certainly don't think he is top 1000 as far as technical nl tournaments go. Thats the great thing about opinions though, everyone is entitled to their own

edit: and gl to Daniel
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10-29-2010 , 03:43 AM
I didnt notice it said yet but this is a..

FACT:

He cracked KK with TT and then got

1. AA vs KK
2. AA vs JJ
3. AA vs KK

That's how you make chiplead
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10-29-2010 , 03:52 AM
I hope Daniel wins the entire thing!
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10-29-2010 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
It's funny how everyone that disagrees is instantly just labelled a hater or jealous. I mean he is obviously +ev in an EPT and he is good at certain livestuff but I certainly don't think he is top 1000 as far as technical nl tournaments go. Thats the great thing about opinions though, everyone is entitled to their own

edit: and gl to Daniel
Name 1000 poker players that have a better track record in live tournament play than DN. Go ahead, I'll wait.

What a ridiculous statement. If you put DN in the mix in just about any tournament, he's going to have a pretty damn good chance of going deep.

Now obviously (See pic) I'm a fan of DN. I was at the same table with him at the 2007 WSOP, and actually took down a pot against him. I'm not sure why there is so much hate for him on 2+2. I'm going to guess it is because he doesn't subscribe to the same type of high-profile cash games that helps to get most of you hard.

Like it or not, DN is pretty much the face of mainstream poker right now. He's marketable to the fish, and he's good for business. So stop tapping the glass, and respect that for whatever perceived personal flaws he might have, DN (and actually, PH as well) are decent ambassadors for the game of poker. Everyone wants a "good guy" and a "bad guy" to root for and against, respectively.
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10-29-2010 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
It's funny how everyone that disagrees is instantly just labelled a hater or jealous. I mean he is obviously +ev in an EPT and he is good at certain livestuff but I certainly don't think he is top 1000 as far as technical nl tournaments go. Thats the great thing about opinions though, everyone is entitled to their own

edit: and gl to Daniel
Wow, you are definitely an expert in the MTT world, and I bow to your rep among MTTers (I lived with some MTTers over the summer and this guy is like a god to them), but what I think might be happening is people in the online MTT world see one or two obvious/flagrant errors by a live pro and extrapolate from that a whole level of technical incompetence that really isnt there for the most part. Im sure there are hundreds of MTTers online that understand push fold SLIGHTLY better than DN. Im sure there are hundreds who understand bet sizing SLIGHTLY better than DN...from a purely technical POV.

I think POSSIBLY you guys MIGHT BE overestimating the differences those SLIGHT edges make in the long run as opposed to being able to read body language.....put a read on player type....have a better grasp of live psychology....all things that are of dubious value online but perhaps have a greater value in the live game.

I might be totally off-base....and again its just a piece of personal speculation.
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10-29-2010 , 08:51 AM
Now you showed us!!
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10-29-2010 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Spiffysean
Name 1000 poker players that have a better track record in live tournament play than DN. Go ahead, I'll wait.
[ ] track record of live tournaments is statically relevant
[x] it's just variance

hint : jamie gold has won a **** load of money in live tournaments !
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10-29-2010 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluffzorz
Yep at EPT Vienna DN is the current Chipleader.

What do you have to say about this?

Daniel still has his skills.

from Pokernews.com:

Less than half of the starting field made it to Day 2 of the PokerStars.net European Poker Tour Vienna -- 278 of the 587 original runners returned to the Kursalon today with British online legend Laurence "rivermanl" Houghton in pole position. By the end of the day 80 players remained, all in the money, and Team PokerStars Pro and all-around legend Daniel Negreanu was in the lead on a commanding 893,000.

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10-29-2010 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Spiffysean
Name 1000 poker players that have a better track record in live tournament play than DN. Go ahead, I'll wait.

What a ridiculous statement. If you put DN in the mix in just about any tournament, he's going to have a pretty damn good chance of going deep.
Pretty horrible post. Mement is also one of the most qualified posters to make the statement he did.
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10-29-2010 , 10:27 AM
I mean he said Daniel isn't one of the top 1000 technical poker players. It's certainly possible for that statement to be correct. I am not really sure Daniel would argue with that. One of the basic tenants of poker is that if too many people are doing something the opposite is normally the correct play.
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10-29-2010 , 10:28 AM
Wow, even more impressive when you consider it's only the 8th EPT event ... this year.
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