everytime i log onto the site i always take a look down the high stakes tables and iv noticed that apart from the regular few big names that play the heads up scene its pretty much dead . and another pattern i notice is that u get about 10+ diffrent players all sitting at diffrent heads up tables at 50/100 but none of them ever play each other , is it just an ego thing to show off there roll or something cos none of them seem to play a hand , anyone explain ?

There's no money headup, everyone is solid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0iIYg3mGl4

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everytime i log onto the site i always take a look down the high stakes tables and iv noticed that apart from the regular few big names that play the heads up scene its pretty much dead . and another pattern i notice is that u get about 10+ diffrent players all sitting at diffrent heads up tables at 50/100 but none of them ever play each other , is it just an ego thing to show off there roll or something cos none of them seem to play a hand , anyone explain ?

I think because they realise and acknowledge each others game is pretty solid and unless they feel like they have a significant edge over someone they just won't play each other, they sit and wait for rookies to sit down and play. Reason why you see people Durr, Ivey and Ziigmund play each other is because it's just leisure and entertainment, they have so many endorsements and contracts et cetera that they can afford to play nosebleeds.

anyone explain ?

yes i can explain. if the two best hu players in the world went against each other the best player would always win in the long run.

so if hypothetically the 10 best HU players all played at FTP it'd make no sense for the #10 guy to play anyone whose better than him. but he still want to make money so he sits hoping anyone whose worse than him will sit.

number 10 in the pecking order, or number 7 or 5 for that matter, sits in the hope than someone worse will sit and play them.

not everyone can be jungleman or isildur.

So that #11 that plays against the other 10 would be Gus Hansen, right?

does ziigmund have a lot of endorsements? im suprised at that!

To be fair tho.. didnt durr play them before he had endorsements? I honestly think they all consider themselves as the number 1 player and so dont care who they play. Also would some of it be like durr could lose say 300k at nosebleeds but would win 900k off some whale at bellagio or something?

Gus hansen wouldnt be considered the 11th best!

i killed it!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ

But the deputy took u to school

I am sure people that are sitting alone and I am one of them woud play each other if the rake was lower, it make no sense at all for now to play against someone who you have a really small edge or not at all and to pay 1 to 4 bb per /100 in rake. The only winner would be the poker site with the rake.

If the site lower the rake, peolpe will play each other cuz everyone think they have an edge but everyone realize that its not bigger then the rake. With some calculation, I am pretty confident the poker site would make more money lowering the rake cuz it would make peolpe play each other and that would look like a healthier game to newcomer.

a lot of the people sitting at 50/100 and such don't even play those stakes usually. they're sitting there waiting for the occasional big whale to show up.

KOTH please..

I understand this but how will the 10 guy improve his game without playing better competition? in the long run he will get worse by constantly waiting for new fish rather than trying to improve

Everybody wants to play a sucker, nobody wants to play someone good to improve their game.

Just full of HNR'ers

ftp needs to hire u, sir!

Rake cap is $0.5 at fulltilt and with all the bonuses most HS players get probably about 35% rakeback. So, to lose one buy-in in rake at 25/50 HU, you'd have to play about 70-100k hands...

So, you really are saying that people don't want to play other regs because rake takes 0.05ptbb/100 but they would play regs if the rake was smaller?

yes thats what I say, at 2\4 the rake is 3.5 to 4bb per 100, at 3\6 the rake is about 3 bb per 100 and at 5\10 about 2 bb per 100 and yes as u say as we move up the rake goes down, but at this limit it is suicidal to play against any other competent player when u know that a good player who is selecting his player will win about 3 bb per 100. People at these stake have to fight day after day and be very selective to move up.

And then, u now ask these same player that have move up beeing really selective to now play anyone because the rake has a less impact on their win playing 25\50, and as I know not so much player play these stake. The 15\30 and 10\20 would be the stake that regs could play each other but even at these stake the rake has too much impact on the winrate. So yes, I say that if the poker site would be not that much greedy, it will be healthier for the game, regs would play more each other and there would be much newcomer to the game cuz the game would be by far more attractive in the lobby.

And btw your 35% rake is impossible to reach getting 100 hands per day at hu limit....

False. Winners want to play better players. Im not saying they constantly want to play Ivey or Durrrr HU, but i am saying all the top players in the world got their by constantly pushing themselves to be better realizing that although they may lose some in the beginning in the long run they will be better players and win more eventually anywase.

OP is talking about highstakes, which means 10/20 and higher... and he was actually referring more to nosebleeds, using 50/100 as an example. Rake has nothing to do with why those stakes have low action.

100 hands a day? Limit?

In small/midstakes LHE HU rake is sure a big factor to why there is so little action, but it has nothing to do with this thread.

no money in heads up, everyone's dead.

I think we are just seeing more players migrate to full ring or 6max games where the variance is lower.

hahaha! that's a good one, never seen that video before lol

Alright.

95% of the poker population wants to play a sucker, only 5% of people wants to play vs good people to improve their own game. This is why HU is dead.

when given the option to play an idiot or someone better than him i would bet every HU reg on any poker site would chose to play the idiot.

RIP Doyle