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Hans Lund was unreal, Stu Ungar was annoying (but funny)and Eskimo spent years eating a burrito Hans Lund was unreal, Stu Ungar was annoying (but funny)and Eskimo spent years eating a burrito

07-21-2015 , 04:00 PM
Hellmuth would have won that WSOP by just calling the flop and getting it in on the turn. Confirmed GOAT.
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07-21-2015 , 04:23 PM
so, we have two guys wildly overplaying marginal hands... that's the clifs?
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07-21-2015 , 04:29 PM
Tuna is a great nickname.
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07-21-2015 , 04:36 PM
Not if your real name is Susan
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07-21-2015 , 04:53 PM
haha
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07-21-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
They gave the final pot size at the end of the hand as 1,628,000 so tuna must have started the hand with 814,000 and matloubi with 1,126,000. After matloubi won the hand, tuna was down to 312,000.
Idiot poster got the names mixed up!

They gave the final pot size at the end of the hand as 1,628,000 so matloubi must have started the hand with 814,000 and tuna with 1,126,000. After matloubi won the hand, tuna was down to 312,000.
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07-21-2015 , 05:39 PM
^^^I like your style lol^^^

Masta--
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07-21-2015 , 06:11 PM
Hans Lund is a cool name. Lots of legendary poker players have amazing histories. They are mostly outcasts, though. Not people you would want to be.
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07-21-2015 , 06:20 PM
Great video.

Also, the next time I hear someone grouse about today's young players' choices in attire and/or describe them as a bunch of nerds, I'm gonna show that clip.
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07-21-2015 , 06:35 PM
It was probably in Haley's blog that I rmb reading about how Mansour went on to be at least part owner of UB via shell companies but kept a really low pro so not much is known about his involvement with the site or if he had any hand in the cheating fiascoes.
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07-21-2015 , 06:43 PM
A guy thats an easy mark is a tuna fish.
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07-21-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gangnam holmes
The most exciting hand in WSOP championship history...




Insane roller coaster of a hand. Chip Reese was the hand analyst. Classic.
Yeah I was going to quote this, well done. Mansour was an original UB owner right? Shady people everywhere
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07-21-2015 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gangnam holmes
The most exciting hand in WSOP championship history...




Insane roller coaster of a hand. Chip Reese was the hand analyst. Classic.
I love watching these old videos, I fell in love with poker in 1995 and started going to the WSOP at Binions every year to sweat pros and soak in the atmosphere.

There was something about the seedy, backroom nature of the way it was back then that made it even more alluring, I wish everyone who loves poker could go back in a time machine and experience that vibe.

NO ONE was into poker back then. In 2001, I sat in the temporary bleachers behind Johnny Chan (so close that I could look over his shoulders and see his hole cards) as he played Erik Seidel heads up for the $3K NL championship. The only people watching were me, a reporter named Andy Glazer (RIP) and two other spectators, can you imagine the crowd they would draw now?

Man that was fun, I miss the mystery and sense of danger hanging in the air those days.
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07-21-2015 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SootedPowa


Hopefully we'll see the day again where we can smoke at the table.

This was indeed awesome to do
Says only the small and shrinking minority who smokes. And not even all of them.

None of the non smoking majority would support smoking at the tables, and thus only a very foolish poker room would allow smoking.
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07-21-2015 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AKingdom
It was probably in Haley's blog that I rmb reading about how Mansour went on to be at least part owner of UB via shell companies but kept a really low pro so not much is known about his involvement with the site or if he had any hand in the cheating fiascoes.
The God Mode password updates absolutely went to Mansour along with Russ and several others. I still have some of the e-mails.

Pre-UB, Mansour actually spent several years as a bet runner for a giant advantage sportsbetting operation being run by Hamilton and Fred Davis out of Davis's Las Vegas house. They had a high-end tech setup that was better than what the casinos had, back before info was virtually instantaneous. So they had line moves before the casinos did. The group was likely violating lots of Nevada gaming laws concerning electronic transmission of betting info in the vicinity of sports books, but obviously they didn't care.

Then there was the synthetic diamond-making operation Russ and Mansour had running in the Philippines....

Edit: Russ and Mansour were in the second wave of people from the poker world to come aboard in UB's earliest days, once the early seed money ran low. The first two people onboard besides Pierson's group were Dewey Weum and Hellmuth.

Last edited by haley44; 07-21-2015 at 10:58 PM. Reason: added info about when Mansour came onboard.
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07-21-2015 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by haley44
The God Mode password updates absolutely went to Mansour along with Russ and several others. I still have some of the e-mails.

Pre-UB, Mansour actually spent several years as a bet runner for a giant advantage sportsbetting operation being run by Hamilton and Fred Davis out of Davis's Las Vegas house. They had a high-end tech setup that was better than what the casinos had, back before info was virtually instantaneous. So they had line moves before the casinos did. The group was likely violating lots of Nevada gaming laws concerning electronic transmission of betting info in the vicinity of sports books, but obviously they didn't care.

Then there was the synthetic diamond-making operation Russ and Mansour had running in the Philippines....

Edit: Russ and Mansour were in the second wave of people from the poker world to come aboard in UB's earliest days, once the early seed money ran low. The first two people onboard besides Pierson's group were Dewey Weum and Hellmuth.
JUst been re-reading some of your blog due to this thread bringing Mansour's name into my mind again. Like in the past I've ended up spending the best part of 3 hours googling all kinds of infomation. I even read a legal offering of DFP(devilfishpoker) which was run from Game Theory limited?, which in turn was a shell company of Ielogic/Iovation, basically saying how DFK could be a fine investment despite some concerns(god if they only knew what you knew now, think the offering was £320,000. Prob wouldn't have got £100k with the cheating concerns). Wonder if they targeted DFP when it was operational. I should imagine the ieSnare tool would work just the same.
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07-21-2015 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
so, we have two guys wildly overplaying marginal hands... that's the clifs?
Yeh cos getting in ~30bb HU with TPTK and Overpair on 9s4s2c is wild overplay

the cliffs are you might want to read some material on HU play.
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07-22-2015 , 12:05 AM
Here is the Youtube link to the entire episode of the 1990 WSOP ME final table...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XIVU2qU7ZU

Its just under 45 minutes long and must be one of the best coverage of the final table ever.

Things to notice:

Stu Ungar made the final table finishing in 9th place. He must have playing for two weeks straight without sleeping before playing in the 1990 main event because he looks sleepy as heck in the picture that they show of him. I have never seen a final table finisher that looked that tired.

The hand that I posted earlier was not the only time Mansour put the money in with the best of it, got outdrawn, then luckboxed the river.

Favorite Chip Reese term: "The Crunkleton Crunch!"

Berry Johnson (86 champ), Rod Peate (83 runner up), John Bonetti, and Al Krux (who made a final table during the recent poker boom) made the final table.

Chip Reese was the analyst. Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, and Amarillo Slim all got interviewed. Slim used really good metaphor talk during the interview.

This is the best final table that I've ever seen!
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07-22-2015 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by metza
Yeh cos getting in ~30bb HU with TPTK and Overpair on 9s4s2c is wild overplay

the cliffs are you might want to read some material on HU play.
+1
they both had monster heads up hands with 30 (or whatever) bb that escalate.
but they should keep waiting for top set before they're willing to put a chip in the pot lmao
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07-22-2015 , 01:02 AM
Just watched it, great final table and characters.
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07-22-2015 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
100% GTO
Yeah if you played back then you would have totally owned the wsop
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07-22-2015 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by haley44
The God Mode password...
Thx for the quick refresher on that. Nice to see you're still alive btw as I thought you were the Haley that passed away.
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07-22-2015 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gangnam holmes
Here is the Youtube link to the entire episode of the 1990 WSOP ME final table...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XIVU2qU7ZU

Its just under 45 minutes long and must be one of the best coverage of the final table ever.

Things to notice:

Stu Ungar made the final table finishing in 9th place. He must have playing for two weeks straight without sleeping before playing in the 1990 main event because he looks sleepy as heck in the picture that they show of him. I have never seen a final table finisher that looked that tired.

The hand that I posted earlier was not the only time Mansour put the money in with the best of it, got outdrawn, then luckboxed the river.

Favorite Chip Reese term: "The Crunkleton Crunch!"

Berry Johnson (86 champ), Rod Peate (83 runner up), John Bonetti, and Al Krux (who made a final table during the recent poker boom) made the final table.

Chip Reese was the analyst. Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, and Amarillo Slim all got interviewed. Slim used really good metaphor talk during the interview.

This is the best final table that I've ever seen!
that was the year stu ungar was a huge chip leader but ended up in hospital at the end of one days of play due to a drug overdose. so never even actually made it to that final table.

also wasn't Mansour the guy ungar called on the river with something like 10 high after telling him he had 5 or 6 high, in some hu sng? always wondered if that hu come about with stu saying something like he would have won this tournament if he didn't O.D
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07-22-2015 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gangnam holmes
Here is the Youtube link to the entire episode of the 1990 WSOP ME final table...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XIVU2qU7ZU

Its just under 45 minutes long and must be one of the best coverage of the final table ever.

Things to notice:

Stu Ungar made the final table finishing in 9th place. He must have playing for two weeks straight without sleeping before playing in the 1990 main event because he looks sleepy as heck in the picture that they show of him. I have never seen a final table finisher that looked that tired.

The hand that I posted earlier was not the only time Mansour put the money in with the best of it, got outdrawn, then luckboxed the river.

Favorite Chip Reese term: "The Crunkleton Crunch!"

Berry Johnson (86 champ), Rod Peate (83 runner up), John Bonetti, and Al Krux (who made a final table during the recent poker boom) made the final table.

Chip Reese was the analyst. Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, and Amarillo Slim all got interviewed. Slim used really good metaphor talk during the interview.

This is the best final table that I've ever seen!

That's completely crazy man. Stu doesn't even look strung out there. It's amazing the physical transformation that he went through from 1991-1997.
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07-22-2015 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16
That's completely crazy man. Stu doesn't even look strung out there. It's amazing the physical transformation that he went through from 1991-1997.
yeah, stay away from crack
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