Saw dudd playing today. Not sure if he got his funds back or not (thats for him to publish, his thread is closed though). Personally I dont feel very confident playing there if they didn't refund them, would be extremely ok if they did.

GGPoker is doing a lot of things right and their traffic is excelent quality. As a player I dont agree with some of their decisions, but as a poker businessman their plan is not that bad and I sort of agree with it. Predatory behaviour is terrible for poker sustainability.

One thing I dont really like is how some players can play without their real name in the table while others are forced to disclose it, and that was a reason for which I quit the site for a couple months. Now, if dudd1 got his money back I would feel great about the site. If not, I would be very careful being a reg.

hi dudd

GGpoker has always made it pretty clear what their business model was about, so it's amazing to see how players have been surprised by the companies decisions to achieve it.

To be honest though, I do think that if you're a company within the gambling industry trying to promote yourself as a "fair" place to gamble, then you should extend that fairness to your "loyal player base".

You're within an industry that is known for its inducement and targeting of people to excessively play, so to not have offered a reasonable explanation to these players is quite unfair.

I hate to keep posting in this thread... but

If Dudd got his money back, congrats, but so what. Of the 100 guys before him that got funds seized and banned, none of them were made whole, or were able to play there anymore. He just happened to be at the right place and time I guess. We had heard of multiple 100k+ seizures and the poker community caught on and made a huge deal about it. It forced their hand to do something right for the first time.

So, one guys gets made whole, the rest are ****ed. All funds seized. Presumably from day 1 funds were not distributed, I have no proof of this but it seems that way from what I've read or funds are rarely distributed.

This doesn't make thinks OK. It's so shady. How could a company have team pros that literally decimated the live and online ecologists, were talking 100+ millions of dollars won, they are top notch pro's and luckboxes. When a midstakes guy looks at them and aspires to be them someday, they try to make money on their poker site. But **** you for trying, we are rich pros and we will seize your funds so that we can get more money and rid our site of good players so our friends can eat at a fish buffet.

Nope, its ****ed there.

Enough tinfoil hat conspiracy talk. What do people think of these actual facts?

Edit: happy to be hear wrote a great post

That may be so, but it's also not applicable to the more shocking pattern people are describing:

Unless players are loudly warned of this policy in advance, they are being at best misled and at worse outright defrauded.

No rational person would set foot in a live casino if they held a publicized policy that winners would be stopped at the exit, and in addition to having their winnings confiscated, their wallets also have their contents taken.

It's important to remember these are individuals looking for lucrative investment opportunities- personal and financial.

YES, the decisions GGpoker is making/have made to achieve "a healthy and safe poker ecology" is, ironically, unethical to poker enthusiasts. BUT in terms of the direction GGpoker is heading (player volume not volume played) and the moment they're currently gathering, it should be no surprise as to how little remorse these "pro's" or GGpoker will show for a small percentage of the player base that the majority of players won't achieve anyway...

If the casino framed their perspective similar to how GGpokernhave done it and had some of the most recognisable and influential ambassadors - I guarantee you a rational person would rationalise a good reason to play at the casino...

Truth rarely beats good marketing - especially when it is he said/she said

No it doesn't allow me to do that

Guys...guys..I have the perfect solution for the majority of the player pool, and many in this thread will love this addition. Any daily winnings over 350 dollars will be "redistributed" among the player pool. This will help maintain a healthy and fair environment for all of our players, and get rid of those pesky pros/semi pros/players looking to win, and let us grow.

Thanks, fair enough .....that was much more informative than your prior post ...

I would add that a site must also ensure that it holds an excess reserve over player liability to offset credit card charge-backs from dishonest customers or processor fraud. This is a real issue in any P2P gaming. In late 2001, a single credit card fraud guy from Thailand charged back so many deposits, the loss wiped four months of earnings for Party Poker. They covered all liabilities. However, processors' laying down on deposit proceeds doomed PokerSpot and more than 1 other gambling site.

I wonder if GG Poker only bans players for predatory behaviour at or above a certain limit/ amount won. Does anyone know of micro/low stakes regs being banned? What's the smallest known amount that was confiscated for predatory behaviour?

I play PLO50 and below and engage in very predatory behvaiour. The site has a built in HUD, the ability to take notes, and colour code villains. Why would you have these tools but also discourage predatory behaviour? It simply makes no sense. I use these tools to hunt down weak opponents and almost exclusively play with them. I leave tables when they leave and chase them to other tables.

I just play recreationally but am a significant winner. Earning money aside, it's simply more fun to play with weak opponents, especially very aggressive ones, and/or ones that love to straddle or go all in blind.

I'm sure GG Poker is following this thread so I will abstain from listing a few suggestions that they could incorporate to dramatically reduce the number of pros on their site. One of my ideas in particular has the potential to be a game changer.

The built in hud probably is an ecology thing. A whale is more likely to realise the kind of vpip everybody else has and try to emulate it. It's terrible for poker.

Cool. Once you have credible and substantial proof of this rigging, I'd encourage you to start a thread in the Internet Poker forum about it, as this would be an important issue worthy of its own thread. Until then, your speculation and anecdotes about rigging belong here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dition-255990/

Thanks.

You saw him playing on GGPoker?

I would like Jean-Christophe Antoine the CEO of GG to explain why the site Pros and friends of GG owners are all earnings in the MILLIONS that they made on GG. He said earlier "that if your planning on making living out of poker, GGNetwork is not the place to be". Well it seem to be the place to be if your part of the IN CROWD. These people want it all, that's why they don't want winning players on their site because they want to be the only ones taking advantage of the weaker players. Seems to me his statement is a direct contradiction to what is actually happening on GG. I guess its OK for Bryn Kenney and his cronies to make as much money as possible on GG, but if anyone else is a winning player they get booted and their money gets confiscated. All anyone has to do to see it, is to just go on GG and look at the earnings of the site pros and some of the other "friends" of Bryn Kenney and the people he backs. Its a one-sided poker site designed to make millionaires out of the insiders only. I CHALLANGE Jean-Christophe Antoine to prove me wrong. I don't think he can because the winnings of certain players speaks for itself.

Cool. Once you have credible and substantial proof of this rigging, I'd encourage you to start a thread in the Internet Poker forum about it, as this would be an important issue worthy of its own thread. Until then, your speculation and anecdotes about rigging belong here:

I am working on it. Once I have enough proof I will and plan on posting it.

Jean-Christophe Antoine... do you accept this challange?

Bryns name has been thrown in the mix, along with all the usual suspects

Think taking preflop rake is quite predatory behavior by the operator.
Under their anti predatory behavior TOS policy maybe they should confiscate themselves

It's an Israeli who lives in the Philippines called Hilly Ehrlich. He has owned many, now defunct, sports books in the past. That's his business model. He is extraordinarily shady.

funny thing is the german name Ehrlich means ‚honest‘

GG has its ambassador Fedor Holz trying to convince people that confiscating player funds is totally OK because they follow "internal security protocols." What are these protocols exactly? Well, shush don't worry, just trust them, they're honest professionals!


These same professionals are now reportedly paying over $1.5m in compensation to players because they cannot operate WSOP tournaments properly.

https://www.highstakesdb.com/10534-g...pensation.aspx

Since these clowns don't even have "internal protocols" to make sure their core, money-making product will work during their premier events, it's completely unbelievable they have any objective "internal protocol" to govern which players they steal from.

but fedor assured us...

You called him Kim Mansoo, but I guess it's this guy below, right?

http://somuchpoker.com/michael-kim-t...d-in-cambodia/

Although called Michael Kim, he seems to be the same person: South Korean, lived in the US, moved to Cambodia and is the king of poker in the region (he used to run the Pokerstars APPT there, etc.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Kim_(poker_player)

I will never trust a place that will let me play and then arbitrarily steal my whole bankroll. There has to be some sort of accountability.

Confiscations should be reserved for cheaters. Period. Imagine if a bank confiscated your whole savings account because you owed a $30 overdraft fee to their sister-property from back when you were in college and therefore technically weren't allowed to open a new account? You can't just pull some excuse out of a hat to give yourself a permission to steal.

GG, you're literally committing criminal acts and some day you will have to answer!

I can't believe WSOP is dealing with them. Such a black eye for the brand.