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06-17-2008 , 02:23 AM
Was listening to the newest poker road episode today and he said that he once was a prop for Absolute Poker (25:40 in). Does anyone know if they still use props today? I know that its policy in a lot of casinos that prop players have to reveal themselves if they are asked that they are a prop player... I wonder if Absolute uses prop players and if the same policy applies.... doubtful.
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06-17-2008 , 02:24 AM
what
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06-17-2008 , 02:36 AM
You mean like a turbo prop? An airplane? WTF are U talking about?
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06-17-2008 , 02:38 AM
A prop is someone that the casino pays to play to keep games going.
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06-17-2008 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by napolewan
You mean like a turbo prop? An airplane? WTF are U talking about?
Like a prop to start games.
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06-17-2008 , 04:31 AM
yeah heard the same, and apparently Phil Laak was on the site at the same time...
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06-17-2008 , 04:45 AM
^No way that could be true, i just saw him playing 10/20...but i forget where. anyone know?
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06-17-2008 , 04:48 AM
at your mom's house
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06-17-2008 , 05:20 AM
A lot of sites use props and online its much different, they not only do not reveal themselves but its against the rules to do so.

There is no reason for them to do so either. Just think of it as a glorified rakeback deal where the props get 80-125% instead of 27-33% offered at most sites. In exchange they have to play short handed, don't get best game selection etc.

I won't name site names but even the Biggest sites use props to some extent of another. Even some very experienced long term online props would be surprised to learn about some of the positions out there, as there much more tight lipped then others.

Someone has to start the tables, right? If sites wait for there regular players to do so while meanwhile there is large wait lists on all the running games at that stake, they're giving up a lot of profit.

The fact of if a site uses props or not doesn't effect the players any, and it can be pretty much assumed that all sites use them in one form or another - with only a few limited exceptions these days.
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06-17-2008 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by napolewan
You mean like a turbo prop? An airplane? WTF are U talking about?
You kids today are so cute/amazingly ignorant/good at leveling me.
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06-17-2008 , 07:52 AM
I propped at Poo Mountain for awhile but, got bored of playing shorthanded against the same 3 or 4 guys everyday.
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06-17-2008 , 09:00 AM
I know for a fact AP still has prop players. No, I'm not one.

I don't have any issue with it.
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06-17-2008 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bdc30
I know for a fact AP still has prop players. No, I'm not one.

I don't have any issue with it.
i am 100% sure of this also
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06-17-2008 , 09:23 AM
Full Tilt calls it a "red pro".
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06-17-2008 , 09:56 AM
There have been several posts here about players who used to prop for AP. Use the search function.
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06-17-2008 , 10:28 AM
lol half of the mid limit players on 2p2 ****ing prop on AP. This is only news if you're spectacularly unaware.
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06-17-2008 , 11:01 AM
AP does still have props. They don't really hide it either, just google for propping and you' ll find tons of offers. So many ****ty sites use props. Guess that makes AP....
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06-17-2008 , 02:07 PM
Gavin Smith is fat and ugly, that's what I can tell
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06-17-2008 , 02:13 PM
I've propped at 3 different sites. As was mentioned before, it's usually just a ~100% rakeback deal as opposed to an hourly wage as in a live cardroom. Sometimes there's rules about not being able to play once a table gets full, or during certain times. I don't see why this would bother anyone. Online props are generally required to never reveal their prop deals publicly, but I'm sure some people break that rule.
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06-17-2008 , 02:23 PM
1. the OP is thinking of "shills" who play on house money and should be required to reveal themselves. obv, this doesn't exactly happen anymore. (to my knowledge)

2. AP & a LOT of smaller online rooms use props. it's good for the site & good for the players, so it's definitely not a negative in any way IMO.

3. FTP has a billion glorified props. all the red pros are essentially props. however, they're even better than just props--they themselves will draw ppl to tables, not just the action. they do get paid rakeback, so it's essentially the same thing as a prop job.
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06-17-2008 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PropPlayer
A lot of sites use props and online its much different, they not only do not reveal themselves but its against the rules to do so.

There is no reason for them to do so either. Just think of it as a glorified rakeback deal where the props get 80-125% instead of 27-33% offered at most sites. In exchange they have to play short handed, don't get best game selection etc.

I won't name site names but even the Biggest sites use props to some extent of another. Even some very experienced long term online props would be surprised to learn about some of the positions out there, as there much more tight lipped then others.

Someone has to start the tables, right? If sites wait for there regular players to do so while meanwhile there is large wait lists on all the running games at that stake, they're giving up a lot of profit.

The fact of if a site uses props or not doesn't effect the players any, and it can be pretty much assumed that all sites use them in one form or another - with only a few limited exceptions these days.
Interpoker used to ADVERTISE to recruit props
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06-17-2008 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
Interpoker used to ADVERTISE to recruit props
It was a lame hourly rate deal, worth less than most sites standard VIP programs
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06-17-2008 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
1. the OP is thinking of "shills" who play on house money and should be required to reveal themselves. obv, this doesn't exactly happen anymore. (to my knowledge)
In live card rooms in California, they are required to reveal props if requested. He was probably thinking of that.
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06-17-2008 , 05:07 PM
How do you become a prop? I can't find anything that says Absolute Poker hires props. (I'm an idiot who plays on AP so I would like to have more information on becoming a prop at AP)
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06-17-2008 , 05:10 PM
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Full Tilt calls it a "red pro".
This is a gem.
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