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12-17-2022 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by preki
Has he made a streaming appearance since the incident? What about an off the air high stakes appearance in la?
The person 2 posts above mine goes by the name justiceforgman, that is who I was talking about.

I did not mean to insinuate I meant Garrett.
12-17-2022 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by KenoMagic
Specifically what do you mean by this statement? Which decks? Weren't checked by whom? When? Why? How?
Keno… cmon bud… you gotta try harder than that!
12-17-2022 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan
Keno… cmon bud… you gotta try harder than that!
The question wasn't addressed to you. Butt out.
12-17-2022 , 02:35 AM
12-17-2022 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
I legitimately don't understand how you can not believe there's a shill campaign.
I know, and that's part of the problem. Not that you think there's a shill campaign - that's not a problem, it's obviously your right to hold that opinion. But that you can't believe everyone else doesn't see it the same way is the mindset that a small but vocal subset of 2+2ers have which drives numerous threads into unreadability. Simple disagreements don't work for that subset; anyone who isn't fully on board with their point of view is a shill, or a troll, defending someone, etc., etc.

If we were to take all issues like this we've seen on 2+2 and add up the number of actual paid shills posting in any of them, I'd be very surprised if that number is not many times lower than what people of that mindset think it is. Does this thread have shills posting in it? No idea. A concerted shill campaign? I suppose that's possible, but it seems unlikely to me. I think you're heavily overestimating the importance of this thread. But I don't know for certain, and certainly can't prove it, so it's a point on which we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by emitnulB
Your conclusion about it "working" because I engage is a logical fallacy too. You can't believe that me engaging with someone is causing shills to respond with personal attacks and gaslights while not acknowledging that they're shills, and if they're shills then it proves my point.
This isn't a question of logic. It is my opinion that by arguing ad nauseum with the same people, and constantly mud slinging with them, you are very much helping them derail the thread, whether that's their purpose here or not. Clearly you hold a different opinion, but I don't see anything illogical about mine.

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Originally Posted by emitnulB
Were they able to only engage with each other, people like you who haven't identified the existence of the shill campaign (somehow) would fall into their narrative of no cheat. It's designed for that purpose.
To be clear, I've never suggested you shouldn't ever engage with those you view as shills. This is the post I started this exchange with:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, that's really not the problem with this thread. Whatever you're trying to accomplish with your non-stop personal attack barrage, I highly doubt it's working. You're trading attacks with the same people continuously, and you certainly aren't convincing them with that strategy. As for casual observers, I doubt it's a good look to them either.

Here's how you seem to think it works - people who don't agree with you are mostly shills, and every post they make needs to be called out, usually in a rather snippy and derogatory manner, so they don't water down the thread and bury the evidence or something.

How it really works - I expect lots of people like me pop into the thread once in a while and all we ever see is a bunch of bickering and name-calling, and we check back out for a while. For me, I honestly have no idea where things are at right now and can't be bothered to try and find out because the thread is pretty much unreadable, primarily due to a few people and their constant streams of attacks on each other. When I don't ever see anything of substance, and that people are basically accusing everyone they can think of as cheaters, honestly I tune it out and wonder if they're just a bunch of conspiracy nuts. They very well might have a solid case, but I've yet to see it and the more of the silliness I see, the less I'm inclined to believe there's anything credible out there.

That's my take on it anyway. Maybe I'm an outlier, and there are lots of casual observers that you're making into true believers by knocking those big bad shills down a few pegs, but I have some serious doubts about that.
What I was suggesting to you was problematic was going back and forth with the same people over and over again; the trading of attacks, name calling, and bickering. It's a lot of noise that makes the thread unreadable, and discourages people not involved in said exchanges from reading the thread. It's certainly kept me away for most of it, and I doubt I'm the only one.

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Originally Posted by emitnulB
Anyways, you're just proving the effectiveness of the shill campaign. You aren't actually making a real point. No cheat isn't a rational position made by analyzing the situation, it's a narrative that bad faith actors are presenting without any evidence in order to cover up a crime. You have fun living in their world.
Yes, I am making a point, just not one about the cheating accusations. That doesn't mean I'm living in any particular person's/side's world.
12-17-2022 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I know, and that's part of the problem. Not that you think there's a shill campaign - that's not a problem, it's obviously your right to hold that opinion. But that you can't believe everyone else doesn't see it the same way is the mindset that a small but vocal subset of 2+2ers have which drives numerous threads into unreadability. Simple disagreements don't work for that subset; anyone who isn't fully on board with their point of view is a shill, or a troll, defending someone, etc., etc.

If we were to take all issues like this we've seen on 2+2 and add up the number of actual paid shills posting in any of them, I'd be very surprised if that number is not many times lower than what people of that mindset think it is. Does this thread have shills posting in it? No idea. A concerted shill campaign? I suppose that's possible, but it seems unlikely to me. I think you're heavily overestimating the importance of this thread. But I don't know for certain, and certainly can't prove it, so it's a point on which we'll have to agree to disagree.


This isn't a question of logic. It is my opinion that by arguing ad nauseum with the same people, and constantly mud slinging with them, you are very much helping them derail the thread, whether that's their purpose here or not. Clearly you hold a different opinion, but I don't see anything illogical about mine.


To be clear, I've never suggested you shouldn't ever engage with those you view as shills. This is the post I started this exchange with:


What I was suggesting to you was problematic was going back and forth with the same people over and over again; the trading of attacks, name calling, and bickering. It's a lot of noise that makes the thread unreadable, and discourages people not involved in said exchanges from reading the thread. It's certainly kept me away for most of it, and I doubt I'm the only one.


Yes, I am making a point, just not one about the cheating accusations. That doesn't mean I'm living in any particular person's/side's world.
I understand your position. The problem is that I'm taking this line out of necessity. These shills are launching an effective disinformation campaign, and it's costing a large amount of money. Nobody would put that money toward this if they didn't believe it to be effective, and the fact that there are people who deny it's existence proves it's effectiveness. I am aware that what I'm doing is making people mad at me, but the consequences of not doing this will contribute to the scammers achieving victory. I'm sorry if I haven't handled the situation perfectly. I never said I was perfect. I want to eliminate this scam, and I'm doing what I think is necessary to achieve that goal.
12-17-2022 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BringBackMo
Late Breaking News: The committee just heard from Koalapete, who apparently learned from KenoMagic that we were soliciting feedback. Koala’s quote:
“WTF? How is that horseshit artist Roger Ramjet more qualified than me to wear Thread Buffoon crown? It’s time a certain committee rethought its decision and awarded a certain crown to a certain someone who is far more deserving than a certain someone else!”

The committee explained to KoalaPete that, as much as we admire the dishonesty and incoherence of the single post that he makes over and over and over again in the thread, it is, at the end of the day, a single post. Roger Ramjet, on the other hand, is much more creative and varied with his horseshit shilling.

It really wasn’t close, we explained, and KoalaPete was never considered for the crown. At which point Koala began screaming that there are TWO versions of his single post, which makes it completely dishonest to say it’s just one post. Then he told us to **** off and hung up.
I don't remember that call. Everything I write is just my opinion. By the way, I believe that Robbi will end up with much more than $135k of Garret's roll, by the time the dust settles on this nasty accusation. Remember the USA is the home of Litigation.
12-17-2022 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KenoMagic
The question wasn't addressed to you. Butt out.
Keno… Keno… Keno… you really need to find a new angle.
12-17-2022 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan
Keno… Keno… Keno… you really need to find a new angle.
How do I say I’m ignoring him without telling I’m ignoring him?
Oh
12-17-2022 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
I understand your position. The problem is that I'm taking this line out of necessity. These shills are launching an effective disinformation campaign, and it's costing a large amount of money.
The irony of shills accusing others of being shills. The only disinformation campaign has come from Garrett and his shills who have done everything they can for months to portray an innocent person as a cheat. its scary how deluded you are. This is literal flat earth territory now.
12-17-2022 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
The irony of shills accusing others of being shills. The only disinformation campaign has come from Garrett and his shills who have done everything they can for months to portray an innocent person as a cheat. its scary how deluded you are. This is literal flat earth territory now.
Ya, me and bobo are cool though. Air is cleared between us. Keep trying to pretend I'm insane though, you're losing legitimacy faster than you realize.
12-17-2022 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
Ya, me and bobo are cool though. Air is cleared between us. Keep trying to pretend I'm insane though, you're losing legitimacy faster than you realize.
Yes because your side has so much legitimacy after being debunked by literally everything right? lul. I like I said, scary delusion level.

This is a great psychological insight into the mind of conspiracy theorists though. They find every excuse to dismiss any evidence that counters their delusional opinion. The lie detector was apparently bogus, and so was the 100k forensic investigation by an extremely credible organization. Exact same system the flat earthers use. Fascinating stuff.
12-17-2022 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
Yes because your side has so much legitimacy after being debunked by literally everything right? lul. I like I said, scary delusion level.

This is a great psychological insight into the mind of conspiracy theorists though. They find every excuse to dismiss any evidence that counters their delusional opinion. The lie detector was apparently bogus, and so was the 100k forensic investigation by an extremely credible organization. Exact same system the flat earthers use. Fascinating stuff.
The sick thing is that it's going to cost way less than 100k to prove the entire thing is a scam lol. Shows how desperate your side is. I offered negotiation too, ask that moron who decided to call out Robbi.
12-17-2022 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by emitnulB
The sick thing is that it's going to cost way less than 100k to prove the entire thing is a scam lol.
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Originally Posted by Koshko
So their investigation cost $100k it seems from what their shills are saying, or whatever that guy posted. Ours cost almost the same
lol indeed
12-17-2022 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NJPW
lol indeed
Ya, my buddy loves to exaggerate. I'm the opposite. Maybe that's why we work well together.
12-17-2022 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Koalapete
I don't remember that call.
Credit where it’s due: This was a pretty awesome response.
12-17-2022 , 12:25 PM
I think Robbi started playing on pokerstars

UTG: 24,204 (242 bb)
MP: 4,191 (42 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 9,990 (100 bb)
CO: 10,275 (103 bb)
BU: 11,060 (111 bb)
SB: 9,860 (99 bb)
BB: 10,420 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop: (220) Hero is MP+1 with A♥ 9♥
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 2 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (820) 7♥ 2♥ 8♠ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets 820, Hero calls 820, SB calls 820

Turn: (3,280) 4♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 1,600, SB calls 1,600, BB folds

River: (6,480) 5♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 7,310 (all-in), SB calls 7,180 (all-in)

Total pot: 20,840

Showdown:
MP+1 (Hero) shows A♥ 9♥ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

SB shows 9♣ T♥ (high card, Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins 20,840
12-17-2022 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
The lie detector was apparently bogus, and so was the 100k forensic investigation by an extremely credible organization.


12-17-2022 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by itsyaboi
I think Robbi started playing on pokerstars

UTG: 24,204 (242 bb)
MP: 4,191 (42 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 9,990 (100 bb)
CO: 10,275 (103 bb)
BU: 11,060 (111 bb)
SB: 9,860 (99 bb)
BB: 10,420 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop: (220) Hero is MP+1 with A♥ 9♥
2 players fold, Hero raises to 250, 2 players fold, SB calls 200, BB calls 150

Flop: (820) 7♥ 2♥ 8♠ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets 820, Hero calls 820, SB calls 820

Turn: (3,280) 4♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 1,600, SB calls 1,600, BB folds

River: (6,480) 5♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 7,310 (all-in), SB calls 7,180 (all-in)

Total pot: 20,840

Showdown:
MP+1 (Hero) shows A♥ 9♥ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

SB shows 9♣ T♥ (high card, Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins 20,840
Wow villain only beats 93…

Has to be a misclick/read
12-17-2022 , 03:35 PM
going for the ocean card obviously.
12-17-2022 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
Wow villain only beats 93…

Has to be a misclick/read
But they had the blocker
12-17-2022 , 04:50 PM
They put the guy on ace high
12-17-2022 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
The person 2 posts above mine goes by the name justiceforgman, that is who I was talking about.

I did not mean to insinuate I meant Garrett.
Huh
12-17-2022 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Robot9999
They put the guy on ace high
And they do it all the time... even live and off-stream.
12-17-2022 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JackHi
And they do it all the time... even live and off-stream.
I wouldn't not disagree.

      
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