The fact that you're calling me crazy means you're probably a shill. Don't worry bro, there's evidence. It'll be here one day, and you can spend your time calling the person who puts it out there crazy in stead of me for a few days.

Thank you this information. Was very informative.

Dunno why you got huffy in the first place. I said I assume we know nothing about their security. Also assumed was post the hand. Which evidently it’s pre the hand?

I don’t listen to everything out there especially since Berkey went on a rampage about HCL streaming post “the hand” arguing they need to shut down.

That’s a fine stance to take. So is having to take my shoes off for TSA.

There are levels of terrorist threats. Berkey advises closing the borders.

That’s his opinion. Others like myself understand that the players are adults and can choose to play at their own risk while full on lock down security is put in place. Especially giving the probable false alarm. Which is about the only good to come out of GA’s accusations.

I'm not naming names its pretty clear who they are. The ones posting 24/7 literally almost without ever stopping. Endless diatribes. Those people.

GFH is 1 of only like 2 or 3 I have on ignore here & I'm 95% cheat. I just couldn't follow the ramblings. And those are not 24/7.

I have seen nothing from emitnulB that is out of line & he/she doesn't sit here & post incoherent musings all day & night.

When you see people gaslighting me, it means I'm moving the narrative in a direction that they don't want. Keep in mind that all sides are guilty here, and they are competing to release partial truths to destroy their opposition without implicating themselves. Many parties hold dirt on others as well.

Still got compromised via most basic methods. Mix of , shiners,magneto and well Eli is playing with a hold out right arm and obvious signals

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OH and always let eli have a device like this on the table

I mean it's the internet. I see nothing in this thread out of the norm. I think going with a "shill" theory just devalues other arguments you may make. It literally makes no sense. Like it's just as logical that Garrett hired people to push the pro-cheat side (he didn't).

emitnulB thinks the entire HCL operation is rigged without any actual evidence and he also thinks a giant regulated company like GLI is going to cover up findings for a small fish like HCL. To be clear, that doesn't mean HCL is necessarily going to release the full report (I believe they should to at least Garrett) but thinking GLI is going to attempt to cover something up is beyond absurd.

Sounds like something a shill would say

Actually he did. Garrett is ****ing terrified of me btw.

Oh the ****** has me blocked lol , ok I am the least shilly of anyone here. I went from crusader fro Garrett, t orealizign eh is biggest winner on a cheat streaming cteram , to finding his cheats, and outing everything. I comb through video and make a case with evidence you might think its nonsense (its literally exactly what i say it is FYI) but even if you disagree there is an element of effort in wha you see ad much more you dontsee. I am the true antithesis of a shill. Even going as far as to help promote your spamming of pics showing blocked messaes. Which is a shill tactic called sliding btw, those should all be 1 reply.


also notice hen the scum bag blocked me

I became a shill after he didnt wanna comment on this. He is obnviosu ly a 2nd account of a loser streamer in philipeans prob connected in some way to brian.

It’s just one belief, actually—that Robbi and her backers have acted suspiciously but we still have no proof she cheated. What you counted are usages of the word “believe,” which means you counted nine “believes.”

These two articles:

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...ryan-sagbigsal

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...igation-update

And two posts by RIP's wife:

https://twitter.com/savnhale/status/1587242625173553152

https://twitter.com/savnhale/status/1587254579061612544

Nothing interesting besides this.

If you have to ask this question, you have no business being as confident as you are, that she didn't cheat.

For quite awhile now mods have contemplated closing this thread. I have always thought the thread should remain open. Today's inane posting, even stupider than the low standards the thread previously sunk to, has me reconsidering that view.

Before shutting down the thread, maybe talk to the borrrring guy who spent the weekend ranting and raving at strangers on the internet here.

I mean the guy is so unhinged right now, he’s bringing people’s children into his **** talking.

There's only a few people here antagonizing everyone and derailing the thread. Intentionally or unintentionally. Deal with them first.

I have no confidence at all. I start with innocence until proven guilty. It’s my moral compass.

Nothing so far as led me to even consider she cheated. It’s all been gossip and hunches.

Please don't

Do you think OJ was innocent?

Do you think Al Capone was only guilty of tax evasion?

You realize this doesn’t answer my generic question right? TV vs stream as a form of distribution. Not Bike vs HCL, nothing to do with security measures in place etc. I was curious why broadcasting via TV is safer than via YouTube.

“As for the TV epidsodes vs youtube live streaming security, the TV recordings typically air at a much later dates, so hole card info isn't needed (almost) immediately and can be added later in post. But again, with Bally's/Bike nobody has access to the hole card info during the hand anyway so it doesn't really matter.”

Your point was to question why people weren't upset at playing on a recorded TV show, because they haven't addressed the security issues yet.

The obvious answer is because the hands are recorded on TV and not viewed live. On streams the hole cards are viewed live. Which is the key part that makes streams vulnerable.

This guy Curtis was on Joeys stream a while back. One of his first comments was “we have the most secure live stream.”
I found it kinda strange because no one asked him anything about his livestream security

Your question infers the evidence in both cases are remotely similar.

The OJ case had much evidence and testimony that could lead one to a decision without having to include hunches in order to arrive at a conclusion.

For example you can’t get to the conclusion that Bryan palming the chips proves cheat because he took it as his cut without a simple hunch that’s why he palmed the chips.

Or are you trying to relate your question to innocent, prove guilt?

No my question is that since you have an innocent until proven guilty approach to everything, I asked whether you believe OJ is innocent, considering he wasn't proven guilty. Same with Al Capone outside of tax evasion?

Do you consider these people are innocent of the crimes they were accused of? Or is it fair to think someone might be guilty despite not being proven guilty?

Bury it, bury it with a shovel, and then bury the shovel

Of course it’s conjecture that Robbi cheated. As most everyone has said, including myself many times, we don’t have proof she cheated right now. I’ve also said multiple times I’m only 65% confident she cheated. My gut wants me to go higher, but I'm trying to stay objective.

I don't mean this as a shot at you, but I'm really not sure why you keep accusing people of conjecture any way, as if that’s not allowed. It’s conjecture for you to say she DIDN’T cheat by the way. Not sure you realize that.

So many people that lean towards cheating in this thread go out of our way to preface comments with “she might be innocent” or “if cheating occurred” or “this doesn’t mean she cheated” to make it clear we’re speculating and that we could be wrong.

Personally, I think I’ve said some version of the three 50-100 times now. Yet despite making the kind of effort most don’t in this thread, especially on the innocent side, a couple people still dishonestly claim like I’m the unreasonable one just so they can make endless ad hominem attacks, instead of having rational discussions.

And there are others that preface their comments the way I do too, but this gets intentionally ignored so that a select few can accuse everyone of being conspiracy theorists like 9/11 truthers and others. Which is just a blatant dishonest accusation, given how different the events are.

Thank you for making this bet not to post in the thread anymore though. I look forward to discussing other topics in other threads with you, after Happy agrees this is conjecture.

Nah man. It ain't normal smashing away on a keyboard arguing w/ randos on NVG 24/7 every single day w/ hardly a break. People need to pee & sleep. If they're not shills then must be sociopaths like I said🤷*♂️

We already hashed it over. They don't have to cover anything up, HCL will just not make public whatever they choose, they have full control. Its not an independent investigation.

Re: emitnulB's opinion that the whole crew is a cheating operation, while it maybe sounds ridiculous to you, we know this: there is (was) a total lack of security of the stream. We know this because Nick was on Berkey's pod & didn't dispute anything Berkey reported that was told him by someone on the inside. If you aren't aware of this then I suggest catching up.

So, given there is terrible security not only in the production room (10 large monitors showing the hole cards & people coming in/out, Bryan w/ his hidden desk, people hanging out etc), basic walkie talkie comms to roaming cam & dealer (JFC), to simply write off as ridiculous that its not at least possible there is an inside cheating ring I think is more absurd than believing there is one. There's 7 figures on the table & degenerates hanging around everywhere c'mon now.