I've seen this same theory on P&C#'s over and over. Pretty much every time someone questions the whole "must have made a deposit" thing. It's been clearly stated that getting P&C#'s doesn't mean you're eligible. Who is to say they aren't going to review these things and DQ anyone who never made a real deposit? To me that seems reasonable and even semi likely. Getting the email with P&C#'s to me means that you reside in the US and have a balance on ftp.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we first hear about the restrictions on who is eligible in the actual email where we got P&C#'s?

Well we know red pros and affiliates were filtered out of the initial P&Cs email.

This is how p2p transfers received are listed in FTP account history:


Diamond Flush's opinion:
Deposit was used to mean balances in the initial "Players will be paid back their deposits" announcement.

No guarantee at this point has been unsettling but hopefully all will work out.

nah you're fine

I'm pretty sure the only players so far who have been told that they have been flagged as an affiliate are some of those that did not receive the original P&C#s email and asked for one (or asked if they are tagged).

The real world doesn't work like that. We poker players have real opponents. We also have a DoJ that follows real rules and regulations. On top of that, I doubt many DoJ agents wake up in the morning with the needs of poker players as their top concern. Sorry, but this isn't all as easy as you seem to imagine.

Also, PPA isn't some "they". It's the poker community. If the fight were as easy as you seem to think it is, wouldn't some players have stepped up and accomplished what you seem to think is simple?

On last night's Poker Advocacy with Rich Muny webcast, I was joined by PPA Litigation Support Director & Board Member Patrick Fleming, aka Skallagrim, for a great discussion on Full Tilt remission and poker advocacy.

If you missed the live webcast, I hope you'll listen to the podcast (or download for later) and check it out!
- http://podcasts.ontiltradio.com/play...ct-14-2013.mp3
- https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...ign-mpt=uo%3D4 (iTunes)

you reliase that is exactly what I said in my post.

Not really...it's the opposite of what you said. You suggested that PPA is ineffectual. I said we're very effective in a very tough fight.

Let's for a second assume the amount claimed by all players is 100 million and they have WAY more than that in their bank of 150 million or whatever the amount was to start.

Is it safe to say if ones balance matches what they have on file these payments would go out quickly or would you think they have to go through every petition first and then start paying?

makes sense they would pay the week after the bar date that's why I have a countdown

it's pretty sad that allowing a full ****ing WEEK for a government employee to confirm $X is indeed < $Y, constitutes insane optimism.

and i commend your insane optimism. i believe government can work.

So basically they are going to pocket millions.

amirite?

Yes . but if they let Stars handle the cashouts they would have pocketed millions as well

I have faith to believe a miracle will happen soon after the bar date...32 more days

I'm not sure if this has been clarified yet, but here goes.

I never deposited, I was funded through transfers.

I got the email and registered etc. Am I eligible for reimbursement?

Ty

What exactly does it mean to sign up as an affiliate? I thought an affiliate was a rakeback operator, or some other formal entity -- that is, a very small number of accounts, sanctioned by FTP in some way. It's been a long time, and I can't remember the finer points of all the rakeback/referral/affiliate schemes FTP offered. Knowing these distinctions would probably help people file their petitions.

Probably. File your petition. If denied, you will have a chance to appeal.

No one needs to know those distinctions to file a petition for remission. If you received your P&C#s email, you can file. Otherwise, you can ask GCG if you are tagged as an affiliate (which may or may not be justified). If so, you can either wait for the email from GCG to those tagged as affiliates with instructions for filing a petition or file a New Petition now. If not, ask GCG for your P&C#s to file your petition, or simply file a New Petition on the claims web site.

It seems GCG is in the process of sorting out with FTP who was an actual marketing affiliate (someone who earned money from referring other players) and how much they earned for their referrals. From all current indications, the DOJ will allow such affiliates to claim remission for their money from poker play. In practical terms, GCG will deduct from the FTP player balance any dollar amount earned by a marketing affiliate from referrals, and the remaining balance is eligible for remission. That's the theory at this point, anyway.

No matter what formula and data they use in the end, anyone owed money as a player by FTP is entitled to apply for remission by submitting a petition.

i started my account from freerolls and i got email and have moneys there
i have never deposited or transfered just freerolls moneys won and then played from that
and its available

apologize if this info is already answered in this thread.

i tried a claim a couple weeks back and never got an e-mail response. i'm not sure if i am supposed to be waiting or if i did it incorrectly?

also just today i logged in to my account after quite some time to see how much of a balance i had left (and i know i did have something). however, my balance is at 0.00 instead of being literally at anything else, let alone what it was supposed to be. is the balance not supposed to display for US players or something?

would greatly appreciate any answers or help. thank you.

Read the Remissions Sticky.

Why don't you just call GCG and ask them for the P&C#s?

Is it just me or does this guy make the PPA look horrible, when he is always fighting with people posting in various threads?

Again, this means nothing. I don't doubt we'll all be fine but as they have clearly stated receiving the email containing P&C#s, entering them, and seeing your correct balance DOES NOT mean you are eligible. I'm not asking if people who never deposited in the literal sense are getting their #s and showing the correct balances.

I merely push back when people --especially those who appear to be doing little to nothing to advocate for our right to play -- make unfounded, ill informed attacks on PPA and on the broader fight for our game. I don't see these attackers as colleagues to beg to support our efforts from afar. I see them as opponents and as a cancer on the advocacy effort.

I want to play again, so my goal is to get the people who want to make a stand and to help us all organize.

We have real opponents. Sands CEO (parent of the Venetian) Sheldon Adelson is ramping up his attacks on online poker. He commissioned polling purporting to show “Internet gambling/poker” to be very unpopular with voters. I fully expect him to use this in his ongoing efforts to lobby Congress (and perhaps now states) to oppose the game.

The report is at http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/a...n#.Ul7O3xAqijw

So, you can either keep complaining that the advocates for the game aren't good enough to suit you, or you can get out there and do something to support our right to play.