Is anyone else thinking DOJ would rather have a conviction of ONE man to make themselves look good 'cos they got their guy', rather than have a deal go through and repay 10,000's of players...misguided justice imo

yes. its bad form to issue a high profile indictment of the leading business in an international marketplace and then say "oops, our bad. we were wrong."

38 States.

The DOJ maintains that PS violates the IGBA in the states with internet specific gambling bans, there are 12 now, PS ceased taking customers in one, and Utah hadn't passed it's ban until later.

ok - think you had a typo and said 10 states it violated then mentioned the other 38. Thanks for the clarification.

Maybe slightly overstated, but why I say the landscape has changed is because the parties have shown their hands with regard to their responsive arguments.

Prior to Monday, one party could try to imagine what arguments the other party would make, but now, those arguments are in the open. All I'm saying is that *generally speaking* (and no explicit reason to be assured this litigation is an exception), the deadline for filing of responsive pleadings to the complaint has served as one of the mileposts where settlement either happens, or does not happen for a significant period of time.

There's a lot of reasons why this is very often the case. One of them is the fact that now there's active substantive pleading going on, the litigators tend to take some measure of control, and the negotiators are somewhat in the backseat for the time being. The next milepost is, as I stated, after conclusion of briefing of these motions, and before the judge issues rulings.

Doesn't mean settlement can't happen in the interim, but it is usually less likely than it is more likely.

I think many of us are thinking that

This is a very smart post sir!

I do not know Barnes or who his sources are, if he has any, but I am saying that these "claims" are false.

That's a reasonable theory, I just think the DOJ would not want to be seen attempting to deny bail for the CEO of one Poker site on the very same day they announced a deal possibly including 'immunity' for the CEO of another - and handing the first CEO's company over to the second.

There are too many conspiracy theorists in the media to not let the process play out a bit, Ray Bitar's email suggested that the process might take through July to materialize when he reassured his employees that they would still be getting paid - obviously he wouldn't have had to tell them that if he got on the plane expecting the deal to be made public the next day.

So what are the laws, theoretical or not, in IOM concerning the advanced deposits onto poker sites operating in their country. Do they permit taking bets from participants of other countries? Do they share any of the revenue with those other countries? Do they enforce age restrictions that these other countries normally apply to there own residents? ...

Maybe you are taking this ADW a bit too far.

Pheww.....Thanks a lot! DF

i really don't get it- DOJ's so called "logic", they should protect us, right? even they are so called "justice", what is justice to fold the deal (gbt) ? i mean by their logic, is better to not repay players at all, than slowly as GBT wanted? nice one.
also there is not even ONE officially news confirming ps/ftp deal, so we are in total darkness. gl in standard jobs with our busto.

Who is it that keeps trying to sue steroid using athletes? usada or whomever. I just don't understand why all the money was wasted going after bonds and clemens and now Armstrong. Stop wasting money unless you can prove intent... I.e have video or receipts of them personally obtaining and using or faking blood results.

The same holds true now with the doj. If you've got the proof (and I assume they do) then pull the trigger and make the criminals do time. If its such a big grey area where the doj isn't sure what they're doing then make the deal with pokerstars giving them what they want and be done with it. Just stop blowing money and time on it.

There are way too many lawyers on this planet. Lawyers, bankers and politicians... The trifecta of evil uselessness.

We merged the two Dakotas (North and South) together. Ditto for the Carolinas.

Big win for all the people who thought they were already merged. Like James Taylor, for example ("Yes I'm goin' to Carolina in my mind").

+1.
DOJ is a joke.

This, plus he may have a conflict of interest.

Clemens and Bonds were criminal trials, Armstrong is just the US anti-doping agency

They treat players on licensed poker sites the same as though they were players in an IoM B&M casino, regardless of where they 'traveled' from using the internet.

take a deep breath everybody.

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The Head of Corp Communications for @PokerStars @erichollreiser says the Twitter rumors of PS folding on the FTP deal is "false"
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So it is OK for them to take 10 year olds?

Edit: Does IoM even have B&M casinos? If so, lets say hyptothetically the legal gambling age in IoM B&M casinos is 10.

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Good news? MT @MatthewParvis Source from PokerStars tells PokerNews there are many false tweets in regards to PS/FTP rumors.

What happens when a twitter particle and a twitter anti-particle collide?

DF whom has been our best bet for information (other than ps<3ftp) has already said his tweets are BS in the other thread.

edit: she also said it here.

back in old gbt/ftp deal times.
life is a rollercoaster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsN5MtKtWcg

Black Friday?

So, back to earth now.

THe only thing we learned today was there shouldve been a deal signed monday? And nobody knows why. :/