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11-07-2008 , 10:31 PM
not sure if its been mentioned here, but i think i read in another thread that this was also his first tourney played on full tilt, fwiw.
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11-08-2008 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nofx Fan
Anyone who defends this as saying it's not cheating is dead wrong.I dont care if it's online,or live.I wont even waste my breath,you know it's wrong.

And btw,gl at getting any better,and gl playing a live event,cause you will obv need it.
If this guy isn't right then I guess selling your account to a pro and playing it for it him over aim is legal.
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11-08-2008 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SKAKK
yeah that would actually be SKAKK, as in high, baked, stoned, only in norwegian. who u be to call me skank anyway?

But i like the rest of your post.

And please get an avatar.
Please pardon my rudeness, Skakk. The flippant attitude shown here towards cheating just tilted me.


Yes, everybody, getting advice on how to play your hand, be it from others in the room or a friend/coach on AIM or whatever, is CHEATING. The rule is ONE PLAYER PER HAND. So yeah, paying someone 10% to sweat you and guide you through is cheating. Obvioulsly, however, it's impossible to enforce. But that still doesn't make it right to do it. But go on, cheat away.

But don't insult anyone's intelligence by accusing me of jealousy or being poor sport. It's not because I have an inferiority complex that I'm so repulsed. It's my sense of sport and fairness.
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11-08-2008 , 03:04 AM
strange...
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11-08-2008 , 03:16 AM
So.... if Jaime Gold was at the WSOP final table and Chan came over with a chair and sat behind him sweating him and whispering advice in his ear they wouldn't have a problem with this? But, because online play will facilitate this easier and with more anonymity that this will be ok is what people are saying? Do I understand this correctly, it is bad live but ok online...wtf?
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11-08-2008 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OodaThunkett
Guiding people through a final table for 10% of the eventual prize has to be cheating. And buying such help is cheating, too. It's clear from the link apefish gave that FTP themselves consider this to be unacceptable. Whether they yet have anything on their site saying so is another matter.

And if as much help was given in this tournament as seems to be the case, this is cheating too, imo.

I have visions of somebody one day hacking into a major site and clearing the money out of everybody's accounts and then posting on here saying that they have done nothing wrong because there's nothing on the site saying you can't do this.

It has to be wrong to help somebody else win a tournament that they are currently playing in, particularly at the final table, but not only there, and particularly if you have a stake in them, but again not only then. Giving them coaching to help them win further tournaments is another matter, because then it would be them playing the game and not you.

Of course, this is just my opinion. But I have to say that it seems blindingly obvious.
You are wrong there actually is a whole section of rules that talks about hacking accounts and any other illegal form of attempted security breaches so, your point is blah!
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11-08-2008 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvester
So.... if Jaime Gold was at the WSOP final table and Chan came over with a chair and sat behind him sweating him and whispering advice in his ear they wouldn't have a problem with this? But, because online play will facilitate this easier and with more anonymity that this will be ok is what people are saying? Do I understand this correctly, it is bad live but ok online...wtf?
I think you're on to something here! Maybe with a bit of work with a special needs teacher you'll have it all worked out.
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11-08-2008 , 05:32 AM
binkaments?
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11-08-2008 , 08:09 AM
proof online is rigged.
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11-08-2008 , 09:48 AM
LOL . You're all ******ed if you don't think this happens all the time. I don't consider cheating, intact I'd be shocked if people weren't talking to their friends at a final table
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11-08-2008 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jcmoussa
LOL . You're all ******ed if you don't think this happens all the time. I don't consider cheating, intact I'd be shocked if people weren't talking to their friends at a final table
I don't see anyone in the thread surprised it has happened, just people saying how stupid he was to admit it and discussing the legality, maybe you are ******ed for not being able to read. Also lul at the sentence above.
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11-08-2008 , 11:05 AM
My favorite part of the translators post is where he implies that apparently "whipping" is slang for keeping someone awake in German. Gotta love those wacky Germans.
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11-08-2008 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvester
So.... if Jaime Gold was at the WSOP final table and Chan came over with a chair and sat behind him sweating him and whispering advice in his ear they wouldn't have a problem with this? But, because online play will facilitate this easier and with more anonymity that this will be ok is what people are saying? Do I understand this correctly, it is bad live but ok online...wtf?
+1
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11-08-2008 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sh00ter
I don't see anyone in the thread surprised it has happened, just people saying how stupid he was to admit it and discussing the legality, maybe you are ******ed for not being able to read. Also lul at the sentence above.
sorry for offending you with my typo douchebag?
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11-08-2008 , 02:59 PM
It seems that the majority of events are played and end like this...kinda sad really...
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11-08-2008 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Harvester
So.... if Jaime Gold was at the WSOP final table and Chan came over with a chair and sat behind him sweating him and whispering advice in his ear they wouldn't have a problem with this? But, because online play will facilitate this easier and with more anonymity that this will be ok is what people are saying? Do I understand this correctly, it is bad live but ok online...wtf?
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm saying. Deal with it.
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11-08-2008 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Money4Aces
Having your wife giving you advice opposed to having Phill Ivey give you advice is a little bit different. Regardless...I get your point.....

Can you imagine having your boys over and your in a tournament and you say "guys stay out of this room...I'm in a tournament and I don't want to break the rules". lol ******ed.

AIM is deff fair game...Onlines a different monster...you have to take into consideration... your playing against two or three people at a time....not just one per account.

and now I have to take into consideration that I'm playing against your wife now....****ing great...2c/4c rail heaven.
My wife won 9 cents last time she played and is a lifetime winner to the tune of about a dollar so beware! She's a virtual 2 cent 4 cent shark. Now if she'll just figure out the flush./straight thing...
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11-08-2008 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zetack

IMO, ghosting should remain one of the differences between live and online play. Its simply a natural phenonmenon, that one may have friends over while one plays, and if they do, they are going to offer suggestions and enouragement. As long as the player who owns the account makes the actual decisions, I'm fine with that.
I said the above in my first post in this thread. As further evidence that pretty much everybody considers this to be the natual state of affairs in online poker, consider this series of bloggs in which Michael Craig, Clonnie Gowen, and Cate (Williamson?) gather to observe, comment on, and give advice to Robert Williamson III during his final table appearance at what I gather is a FTOPS event from last December. (Also Connie Gowen reveals her measurements).

Blog Entry 1
blog entry 2
Blog Entry 3
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11-08-2008 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Harvester
So.... if Jaime Gold was at the WSOP final table and Chan came over with a chair and sat behind him sweating him and whispering advice in his ear they wouldn't have a problem with this? But, because online play will facilitate this easier and with more anonymity that this will be ok is what people are saying? Do I understand this correctly, it is bad live but ok online...wtf?
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Originally Posted by Zetack
Your last sentence is exactly what I'm saying. Deal with it.
Yeah, deal with the fact that online poker is obv. rife with CHEATERS like Zetack here who play tourneys by committee in order to STEAL money from honest players.
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11-08-2008 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Yeah, deal with the fact that online poker is obv. rife with CHEATERS like Zetack here who play tourneys by committee in order to STEAL money from honest players.
*shrugs*, I've never done what you suggest, being somewhat anti-social, I suppose, or at least lacking in poker friends close enough to come over while I'm playing poker. As I say, my wife has commented on hands while I've played, more than a couple, less than a dozen, probably, life time. Not against the rules at any site I've played at, however.
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11-09-2008 , 05:26 AM
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****ing Germans. Nothing changes. ****ing Nazis.
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11-09-2008 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Yeah, deal with the fact that online poker is obv. rife with CHEATERS like Zetack here who play tourneys by committee in order to STEAL money from honest players.
woah someone doesnt win at teh pokers. keep working at it
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11-11-2008 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotty_12
I hate pokerstrategy with a rabid passion. They have filled the party sngs with nit pushbot clones at all levels, and the cashgames with shortstackers. The majority of their players are breakeven, un-adapting blockheads
guess why party highstakes today is considered tougher than ftp/stars douche
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11-11-2008 , 02:59 PM
im pretty sure that 'douche' would crush you


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Originally Posted by nevermore86
guess why party highstakes today is considered tougher than ftp/stars douche
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11-11-2008 , 03:14 PM
i don't kno him, you don't know me and who crushs doesn't have anything to do with the issue anyways.
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