I can understand why jungle is still sweating this

i think the current situation is a combination of dwan knows he has no chance of winning and obv dragging it out to to not pay + he's basically part of the macau crew right now where he's been playing daily 7 figure pots for like the past 2 years. i don't think he's anywhere near broke.

i think durrr has serious dirt on jungleman. worse than the Girah thing, which was really bad, but not as bad as those clubbing pictures.

Durr should ship Jungleman a pint of ice cream and call it even.

I think it might be more accurate to say "was." He was arguably the best pure big bet poker player for a while + was way ahead of his time in a lot of the stuff he did. But his matches vs isil + jungle clearly show that he's been very much eclipsed at least at nl. He also never seemed like the type to do a lot of work away from the tbls + from a lot of the televised stuff + hhs he def has a lot of degen gambler tendencies and spews pretty badly at times.

If he still plays in high stakes live games w/ rich rec players he's prob still good enough to make some $ tho

I think if anything it'd be something like ivey's escrow disappearing w/ the ftp shutdown or ftp agreeing to cover some of durrr's action on the bet + then that not being a possibility when they went bust.

Most likely he's stalling cause he can't afford to take the huge hit to his networth + jungle cut him some slack / doesn't know how to make him pay up + has agreed to collect monthly penalty fees instead.

He did say after he lost the crossbook bet, durrr snapcalled him asking him to pay off the bet (apparently 400k), which is pretty messed up considering how long he's been avoiding officially forfeiting and paying up the 7 figs he owes.

Also if the "club pics" are the ones I think you're talking about that's imo a really low blow. iirc those were from his freaking high school prom, cut the guy some slack

I don't think that is what I wrote and definitely not what I meant nor was implying. You're welcome!

Wrong thread

got excited then dissapointed , why is this thread at the top and theres nothing new on it.

I don't think this is fair. I think the only thing you can say about the challenge is that Durrr is clearly outmatched in HU play with Jungleman. And by extension, and based on his lack of volume, probably now by a large number of high stakes on-line players. But Durrr is still one of the best players in the game. Certainly at live full ring or 6-max he is probably one of the best. Which is why he mainly plays this game now.

Hubris was his downfall. He rose so far so fast, his wings were burned by the sun. A tragedy of Greek proportions. He didn't see the rise of the new breed of on-line players, more dedicated, harder working, hungrier, more focused, etc. He thought history ended with him, and he was badly mistaken. Just the nature of the Durrr Challenge, 1.5M to 500k, against top players! That's nothing but arrogance. Or insanity.

Another interesting aspect of all of this is the rise of Jungleman. Not as a poker player, everyone knew quite early he was one of the best. But as a person. A couple of years ago he seemed a bit like a joke with his personality. The ice cream story with Siever, the incident with Girah, etc. But he has improved a lot in his social skills, he seems more mature, more confident, more stable. And at the same time, Durrr's rep has taken a brutal hit, he now seems unreliable, etc. A rather amazing turnaround.

So while Jungleman has lost out on a lot of money so far from Durrr, money that is rightfully his, he has gained a lot in credibility. He can probably leverage that into more private invites to juicy games, more TV appearances, etc. in the future. That has to be worth a lot.

Because eventually there will be a new breed of players that eclipse him and the others who are riding high now. At least if history is any guide. Will be interesting to see where these top players are in 4-5 years. There are always younger players who are poorer and hence hungrier. Tomorrow will be their turn to shine.

But I think Jungleman is too smart to offer other top players ridiculous odds to play him heads up. That, as we've seen, is a recipe for disaster.

I really wanna see those prom pictures. How'd I manage to miss out on those?!

Super lag, notorious prop bet fish, tendency to be way underrolled for the games he's in; barring other info, the range of his net worth could be anything from negative through to who knows what.

More than likely, Dwan is just broke/deep in debt and is struggling to get out of makeup with the asians in Macau.

This guy got it right

Or maybe it was a freeroll informally backed by full tilt's funny money.

I just don't like jungleman's face and that says a lot considering the other guy...

i don't want to ruin your hopes, but i'm pretty certain, that this challenge is over .... atm this thread is used for random updates about jungleman rants, speculations about the big game in macau and personality disorders as well as durrrrs 'big issue' w/ FTP.

if that's not entertaining enough for you, avoid clicking again.

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I always thought this was the case, i'm pretty sure cates had been giving action to dwan even before the bet without sidebet.

Dwan was dodging Cates well before Black Friday. The challenge was being stalled FTP payments or not.

Dwan is buddy buddy with phua whos a triad leader. No one can touch him and he isnt worried about anything jungleman says about him or his finances. If cates sent a goon to collect money from some other guy why doesnt he do this to someone who owes him a big chunk of change?

Pretty sure Dwan said in an interview that the vast majority of his time is spent in the US. I don't think he plays the Macau games nearly as much as people assume.

The Macau game doesn't run that often, IIRC.

What does he do in the US? Play world of warcraft? Also he needs to tell us what is the big issue.... he said he would

If his net worth is "who knows what" I dont think he would have let this durrr challenge debacle ruin his reputation. He was once one of the most respected and trusted guys and now, well, not so much.

The silence is quite damning in this matter. He doesnt have to talk to the public, but according to jungle durrrr doesn't answer his calls or text messages anymore. And he basically owes jungle $1,5 million + whatever the penalty for not playing is. If he had the money to pay I think he would have. unless if he always was a hustler with no morale. Which I don't think is the case.

Also, Jungleman said he is not too thrilled whenever he hears news about durrrr. Indicates durrr is not doing too well in Macau. My guess is he is deep in the hole and playing with Macau billionaires money trying to dig his way back. My guess is as good as anyones though..

You'd be surprised how attractive a couple million in cold, hard cash looks next to your "reputation" if you haven't had the choice before. Doesn't have a whole lot to do with your net worth either in many cases. Especially when you have to give it up that's a lot harder than just passing on it.

If you're logical how much do you really think Tom's "reputation" is going to swing his future earning power? Especially in regards to how much this particular event will hurt it, probably not more than he stands to lose by paying it.

Of course he's a hustler in that regard though it's not as unique a title as may be implied.

Its much easier to be an honest, stand up, trustworthy guy when
you are not BUSTO.


When you are BUSTO is when your character is really tested.

ps. I have no idea if Dwan is busto bust the evidence is really starting to pile up.