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10-08-2013 , 06:06 PM

#1251

ReversedAngleShot

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 994

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Originally Posted by ohsosick

I think that it is a nash solver.
Research has made great progress in this area recently.
With this software, you can have a edge on all those who did not.

RIP poker

Solid first post

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10-08-2013 , 06:32 PM

#1252

ohsosick

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 45

My second post is cool too bro

Ben Sulsky dad participates in the annual nash solver annual competition :

http://www.computerpokercompetition....owall=&start=2

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10-08-2013 , 06:35 PM

#1253

MastaAces

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^ cool. sauce also involved fwiw.

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10-08-2013 , 06:58 PM

#1254

tultfill

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Originally Posted by ohsosick

My second post is cool too bro

Ben Sulsky dad participates in the annual nash solver annual competition :

http://www.computerpokercompetition....owall=&start=2

Just an FYI for all scaredycats. I beat the 3rd place finisher in 2012 for 27bb/100 over 15k hands.

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10-08-2013 , 07:09 PM

#1255

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by tultfill

Just an FYI for all scaredycats. I beat the 3rd place finisher in 2012 for 27bb/100 over 15k hands.

that is nothing more than a brag... you might have lost 27bb/100 to the second place finisher for all we know. really says nothing to make people put away their tinfoil.

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10-08-2013 , 08:19 PM

#1256

maverick6972

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 508

i wonder if phil ivey uses nasher

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10-08-2013 , 09:08 PM

#1257

TheRiverSniper

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 325

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Originally Posted by ohsosick

I think that it is a nash solver.
Research has made great progress in this area recently.
With this software, you can have a edge on all those who did not.

RIP poker

So Rider's bot is better than Sauce's bot?

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10-08-2013 , 10:26 PM

#1258

sauce123

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My dad is a retired computer programmer and he wrote a bot cause he gets a kick out of it. We chat about ideas sometimes, and occasionally I test the bot, and because he's my dad he was nice enough to include me on the "team."

I'm pretty sure the bots all still kinda suck at nlhe. Because the interface is bad, I haven't put in many hands against the latest versions of "our" bot, so I'm not sure how tough the current versions of top bots are. The key point though is that in lhe bots>>humans (and very close to Nash), and in nlhe they're much less sophisticated (and much further from Nash).

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10-08-2013 , 11:17 PM

#1259

WhyNotScared

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 41

I guess it shouldnt be a surprise the top online winners are heavily involved in this sort of stuff

Sent from my GT-I9300T using 2+2 Forums

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10-08-2013 , 11:19 PM

#1260

SiQ

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plenty of them aren't

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10-08-2013 , 11:33 PM

#1261

yanks

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 566

sauce out of curiosity, is he using a a limited amount of bet sizes in order to minimize the decision tree / optimize processing efficiency?

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10-09-2013 , 05:28 AM

#1262

Chriseddy999

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 475

I saw wcg write in here somewhere that his goal is to make 1 million this year and hopefully next year too. Seemed really small to me in comparison to the stakes he's playing. If his average big blind is somewhere around $150, he's aiming to make just over 60 buy ins for the year? Seems really low.

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10-09-2013 , 06:34 AM

#1263

EATITPAL

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,047

At an average big blind of $150 and an assumed winrate of 3bb/100, that's just over 222k hands for a year. Doesn't seem an absurdly low # of hands for someone who can't play online poker from one of his homes (Vegas). Obviously the higher his actual winrate is, the fewer hands required to reach $1000000.

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10-09-2013 , 09:17 AM

#1264

jbinar

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does any one know when the next match will be?

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10-09-2013 , 09:17 AM

#1265

jbinar

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and if daniel cates is going to play the winner??

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10-09-2013 , 11:05 AM

#1266

Rob999

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Originally Posted by jbinar

and if daniel cates is going to play the winner??

His schedule is booked. He has 4 hands a month lined up with Durrrr for the next 12 years.

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10-09-2013 , 12:23 PM

#1267

ohsosick

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Originally Posted by DougL

Link for each of these?

Also to all of the people throwing around casual observations/accusations of botting for Doug and Ben, it seems to me like you should present some evidence to go with the random forum typing. Like or dislike who you want. These guys are professionals. The challenge is good publicity for poker. Randomly saying that they are horrible cheats is wrong.

I'll post links that evening, I'm at work.

I'm sure that sauce123 is not a cheater I have so much respect for him.
If he was cheating, he would never have agreed to have his name published on the annualpokercompetition site.

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10-09-2013 , 12:54 PM

#1268

gregorio

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Originally Posted by jbinar

does any one know when the next match will be?

they could't play for 2 weeks and will resume in 3rd week after their last session

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10-09-2013 , 04:19 PM

#1269

Videopro

Making TV

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moved the HU solved discussion here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...olved-1379043/
Back on topic pls.

Last edited by Videopro; 10-09-2013 at 04:28 PM.

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10-10-2013 , 09:24 PM

#1270

coolstorytho

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Does anyone have the few years old post in which WCGRider talks about being break even/losing player? Couldn't find it

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10-11-2013 , 01:45 AM

#1271

RMB

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Originally Posted by Chriseddy999

Do you think DOUG has 100% of his action?......

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10-11-2013 , 02:21 AM

#1272

DrRepper

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Originally Posted by Rob999

His schedule is booked. He has 4 hands a month lined up with Durrrr for the next 12 years.

nh sir

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10-11-2013 , 04:28 AM

#1273

Petey 5thStreet

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Originally Posted by coolstorytho

Does anyone have the few years old post in which WCGRider talks about being break even/losing player? Couldn't find it

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...0&fpart=1&vc=1

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10-13-2013 , 09:53 AM

#1274

gregorio

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Why are you guys talking about bots itt still when one of the most advanced computer poker AI researchers is posting 2,000-word essay explanations in the actual NVG thread about bots?

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10-13-2013 , 10:42 AM

#1275

snapehead

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Originally Posted by gregorio

Why are you guys talking about bots itt still when one of the most advanced computer poker AI researchers is posting 2,000-word essay explanations in the actual NVG thread about bots?

link??

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