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Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands) Doug Polk's Challenge to Daniel Negreanu: Heads-Up NLHE Showdown (25k Hands)

11-12-2020 , 01:44 PM
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
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11-12-2020 , 02:01 PM
where you can see/follow the current score? (ie how much doug is up)

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Edit/MH: Please see OP.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 11-13-2020 at 05:53 AM.
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11-12-2020 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
over how many instances?
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11-12-2020 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
Would be interesting to see how hot dnegs ran in the last 25 mins , besides that TT vs JJ hand.

Pretty hot. DN caught an A on the river to take off DPs JJ, per DP's post-match interview. DN landed another big pot with a KK that held up for (i think) action on every street.
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11-12-2020 , 02:11 PM
I watched each cast for a while. I'm coming to like Kakitee. Fees seemed a little arrogant and disengaged. Deeb was fine, and I liked some of their meta game discussion.

Overall, the gg cast was a bit better.

As I've noted, I like both DP and DN and really enjoy watching this.
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11-12-2020 , 02:16 PM
When's the next session?
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11-12-2020 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
over how many instances?
not sure if serious
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11-12-2020 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MercianRaider
When's the next session?

I wonder how many times this will end up being asked ITT....


The tentative schedule is every other day at 10:30pm GMT, so tomorrow at 2:30pm PST should be the next match.
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11-12-2020 , 03:04 PM
They said it will be Mon, Wed, Friday with weekends off most likely.
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11-12-2020 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
over how many instances?
Fifty-fifty basically.
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11-12-2020 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
I watched each cast for a while. I'm coming to like Kakitee. Fees seemed a little arrogant and disengaged. Deeb was fine, and I liked some of their meta game discussion.

Overall, the gg cast was a bit better.

As I've noted, I like both DP and DN and really enjoy watching this.
Fees makes everything about himself.
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11-12-2020 , 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfram
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
not really. it can happen 100% of time in short run.
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11-12-2020 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
How do people ITT know Dnegs is playing so badly when they can't see the hole cards?
To be honest, I'd like to hear some responses to this as well. Unfortunately, NVG has never been a place where people like to show their work.

Not that I'm saying he's playing well, I just don't know HUNL well enough to watch a few hundred hands without hole cards, then say with any confidence that someone is playing poorly (or well, for that matter).

And yes, before anyone says it, I know hole cards aren't an absolute necessity, either. Suppose, say, Negreanu had VPIP/PFR stats of 30/5. Or suppose he was getting to the river in 80 percent of his hands, but showing down five percent of those hands. In those cases, I wouldn't need hole cards to know he's playing suboptimally. But those are extreme examples that even a HUNL n00b like myself would be able to gauge.

Thus, I assume there are more subtle indicators that I can't see but for which other more experienced HUNL jockeys – particularly the ones who are so adamant about the relative playing levels – can provide insight. (Note: I have yet to watch the videos posted above, so perhaps that will help answer my question.)
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11-12-2020 , 03:58 PM
Consensus seems to be that Daniels main leaks are his incorrect bet sizing and his passivity. He's checking back too much when he should be bluffing and letting Doug pick up a lot of small-medium pots for free with hands that are most likely folds.

He is however able to pick off big bluffs by Doug and get in some big value bets. But in the long run, the orphaned small pots add up to a huge number.
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11-12-2020 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
over how many instances?
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
not sure if serious
do you think the odds of a quarter being flipped heads is 50/50? will you bet me that out of 10 flips, it comes 5 heads and 5 tails?
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11-12-2020 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ZZinusZZove
not really. it can happen 100% of time in short run.
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11-12-2020 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
To be honest, I'd like to hear some responses to this as well. Unfortunately, NVG has never been a place where people like to show their work.

Not that I'm saying he's playing well, I just don't know HUNL well enough to watch a few hundred hands without hole cards, then say with any confidence that someone is playing poorly (or well, for that matter).

And yes, before anyone says it, I know hole cards aren't an absolute necessity, either. Suppose, say, Negreanu had VPIP/PFR stats of 30/5. Or suppose he was getting to the river in 80 percent of his hands, but showing down five percent of those hands. In those cases, I wouldn't need hole cards to know he's playing suboptimally. But those are extreme examples that even a HUNL n00b like myself would be able to gauge.

Thus, I assume there are more subtle indicators that I can't see but for which other more experienced HUNL jockeys – particularly the ones who are so adamant about the relative playing levels – can provide insight. (Note: I have yet to watch the videos posted above, so perhaps that will help answer my question.)
He's playing pretty well, better than expected. As a general rule the higher the stakes a commentator plays, the more complimentary they have been about his play. It's the midwit 100nl pros who are have been the most vocal in their criticism.

Main take away for me has been just how good Doug is.
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11-12-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
will you bet me that out of 10 flips, it comes 5 heads and 5 tails?
depends on the odds you're willing to offer?
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11-12-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
do you think the odds of a quarter being flipped heads is 50/50? will you bet me that out of 10 flips, it comes 5 heads and 5 tails?
no but i'll bet on one flip if u give me interesting enough odds
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11-12-2020 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
It happens around fifty / fifty, but without the ifty.
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11-12-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wegg
depends on the odds you're willing to offer?
What odds are you comfortable with
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11-12-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
5% happens roughly 5% of the time
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
over how many instances?
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Originally Posted by ZZinusZZove
not really. it can happen 100% of time in short run.
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
do you think the odds of a quarter being flipped heads is 50/50?
You guys are either master trolls or dumb as rocks.
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11-12-2020 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
do you think the odds of a quarter being flipped heads is 50/50? will you bet me that out of 10 flips, it comes 5 heads and 5 tails?
Sure. $100 for me if it's not 50/50 over 10 tosses. $100 for you if it is. Deal?
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11-12-2020 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
What odds are you comfortable with
you got yourself a bet at $3.1 for my $1

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Originally Posted by Im Nacho Friend
Sure. $100 for me if it's not 50/50 over 10 tosses. $100 for you if it is. Deal?
LOL
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11-12-2020 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
do you think the odds of a quarter being flipped heads is 50/50? will you bet me that out of 10 flips, it comes 5 heads and 5 tails?
I will if you will give 3.5 - 1.
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