Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge - Page 60 - Poker News

Yeah, I meant as applied to poker. Studying poker is either a subset of game theory or computer science depending on what you do. It actually really rare to do stats/linear regression in game theory; though I can see it being of use in poker for some reasons.

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Originally Posted by ferris.shrugged

MACROECONOMICS IS NOT A SCIENCE, EMPIRICAL OR OTHERWISE

I always imagine people who say this to be spawned from the darkness of /r/bitcoin discussions

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02-26-2015 , 08:09 PM

#1478

ferris.shrugged

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Actually just a maths/phsyics grad who is pretty grossed out by the insane lack of rigor in the subject.

Also, if you can't make falsifiable theories, it ain't a science

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02-26-2015 , 08:52 PM

#1479

BitchiBee

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string theory tho

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02-26-2015 , 09:01 PM

#1480

samooth

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yes, there is an ongoing debate about this, and given you are a maths/physics grad (congrats buddy!) it doesn't come as a surprise that you feel and argue this way.

you can't cut me

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02-26-2015 , 09:02 PM

#1481

SmokeyQ123

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Originally Posted by yrmom

I always imagine people who say this to be spawned from the darkness of /r/bitcoin discussions

Lol this is a good call

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02-26-2015 , 09:10 PM

#1482

NF set

centurion

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Originally Posted by yrmom

TC probably used a Probit or Logit model rather than a standard linear regression fwiw

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02-26-2015 , 09:13 PM

#1483

yrmom

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Originally Posted by samooth

yes, there is an ongoing debate about this, and given you are a maths/physics grad (congrats buddy!) it doesn't come as a surprise that you feel and argue this way.

It's not like there actually is a debate FWIW. Obviously you can push shoddy/outright false results more easily in complex fields (ie. macro), since few people truly understand what is going on. The real problem is closer to the fact that the field is very closely tied to politics than actual lack of academic rigor.

Of course, most of the time this exact "debate" is about nuggets of gold like "fiat money is a scam by the 1%". It's easy to argue garbage when one or both sides don't actually understand what is going on

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02-26-2015 , 09:30 PM

#1484

basstrapsz

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Looks like tc is getting slaughtered at showdown. I wonder how a 50k sample would look between these 2 and if it would be much closer then this match.

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02-26-2015 , 09:35 PM

#1485

dodgybob

old hand

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Originally Posted by basstrapsz

Looks like tc is getting slaughtered at showdown. I wonder how a 50k sample would look between these 2 and if it would be much closer then this match.

Without any information to base this assertion off (other than results ITT obviously), it seems unlikely that DK has a true winrate of 16bb/100 against TC, so it would have to be closer.

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02-26-2015 , 09:41 PM

#1486

SmokeyQ123

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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Donger Kim (BU): $6764 (135 bb)
TCfromUB (BB): $7990 (160 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Donger Kim (BU) raises to $150, TCfromUB (BB) 3-bets to $600, Donger Kim (BU) calls $450

Flop: ($1200) 4

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $750, TCfromUB (BB) calls $750

Turn: ($2700) Q

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $1425, TCfromUB (BB) calls $1425

River: ($5550) 5

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $3989 (all-in), TCfromUB (BB) folds

Total pot: $5550 (Rake: $0)

Donger Kim (BU) collects $5550

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Donger Kim (BU): $7780 (156 bb)
TCfromUB (BB): $7744 (155 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Donger Kim (BU) raises to $150, TCfromUB (BB) 3-bets to $600, Donger Kim (BU) calls $450

Flop: ($1200) 4

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $800, TCfromUB (BB) raises to $2300, Donger Kim (BU) calls $1500

Turn: ($5800) T

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) checks

River: ($5800) 7

(2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) bets $4844 (all-in), Donger Kim (BU) folds

Total pot: $5800 (Rake: $0)

TCfromUB (BB) collects $5800

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02-26-2015 , 10:02 PM

#1487

Banned4lyfe

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Originally Posted by WhateverSon

no1 can win so much at showdown without running incredibly hot

Isn't that a result of TC tilting?

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02-26-2015 , 10:23 PM

#1488

TooCuriousso1

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session 13, gg.

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Originally Posted by Banned4lyfe

Isn't that a result of TC tilting?

i know ur just a troll, but no there hasnt been any tilt on my part.

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02-26-2015 , 11:12 PM

#1489

KILLingIT

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Nice challenge!

Btw, TC how much of a role do you think variance and sample will play in this sample? I'm asking because i'm not much familiar with HU standard sample sizes and also was thinking whether or not this two factors played a huge roll in that blue line of dongs?

thanks

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02-26-2015 , 11:38 PM

#1490

yrmom

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1960 hands

23 buy ins

1 man

An underdog story (probably not) coming to you, this fall

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02-27-2015 , 12:48 AM

#1491

Alobar

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One hundred fifteen grand in two thousand hands, I can do that. I've gone on rushes like that before.

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02-27-2015 , 01:57 AM

#1492

34TheTruth34

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under optimal conditions with a bankroll maybe.

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02-27-2015 , 01:59 AM

#1493

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by Alobar

One hundred fifteen grand in two thousand hands, I can do that. I've gone on rushes like that before.

Wasn't that martingaling Keno though? This is a completely different beast to conquer.

You're a class act TC - much respect!

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02-27-2015 , 02:06 AM

#1494

JudgeHoldem1848

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Originally Posted by ferris.shrugged

MACROECONOMICS IS NOT A SCIENCE, EMPIRICAL OR OTHERWISE

I WILL ****ING CUT YOU

+1. What science debates need is a little more San Quentin rec yard aesthetic.

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02-27-2015 , 02:43 AM

#1495

SicilianTaimanov

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Won 24 buyins in 13k hands at showdown.. Dong please tell me how to run that HOT!!

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02-27-2015 , 04:07 AM

#1496

JudgeHoldem1848

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Yeah in all seriousness respect to TC, would be fun to see a rematch in 6 months

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02-27-2015 , 04:17 AM

#1497

TonnaMunz

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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34

under optimal conditions with a bankroll maybe.

haha needs

good stuff guys, been enjoying railing this

Spoiler:

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02-27-2015 , 05:18 AM

#1498

Menace ll Society

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ditto! can't say this is the best outcome for future battles (****, this could realistically be one of the last good ones we see) but it has been very worthwhile to sweat every day. thanks to both of you for doing this in a public atmosphere and behaving as gentleman while doing so.

Last edited by Menace ll Society; 02-27-2015 at 05:19 AM. Reason: sorry if this feels wordy, I've been drinking...

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02-27-2015 , 05:27 AM

#1499

I-Sue-U

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 115

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Originally Posted by WhateverSon

no1 can win so much at showdown without running incredibly hot

I really would like to know which are TC/Dong opinions about this, since I guess no one better than them can judge, even if they could have different point of views about it.