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Old 02-26-2015, 07:54 PM   #1476
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

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regression models are used in almost all fields of (empirical) science, not just in macro.
MACROECONOMICS IS NOT A SCIENCE, EMPIRICAL OR OTHERWISE


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Old 02-26-2015, 08:05 PM   #1477
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regression models are used in almost all fields of (empirical) science, not just in macro.
Yeah, I meant as applied to poker. Studying poker is either a subset of game theory or computer science depending on what you do. It actually really rare to do stats/linear regression in game theory; though I can see it being of use in poker for some reasons.


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I always imagine people who say this to be spawned from the darkness of /r/bitcoin discussions
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:09 PM   #1478
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Actually just a maths/phsyics grad who is pretty grossed out by the insane lack of rigor in the subject.

Also, if you can't make falsifiable theories, it ain't a science
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:52 PM   #1479
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

string theory tho
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:01 PM   #1480
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

yes, there is an ongoing debate about this, and given you are a maths/physics grad (congrats buddy!) it doesn't come as a surprise that you feel and argue this way.

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Old 02-26-2015, 09:02 PM   #1481
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

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I always imagine people who say this to be spawned from the darkness of /r/bitcoin discussions
Lol this is a good call
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:10 PM   #1482
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Yeah, I meant as applied to poker. Studying poker is either a subset of game theory or computer science depending on what you do. It actually really rare to do stats/linear regression in game theory; though I can see it being of use in poker for some reasons.
TC probably used a Probit or Logit model rather than a standard linear regression fwiw
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:13 PM   #1483
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yes, there is an ongoing debate about this, and given you are a maths/physics grad (congrats buddy!) it doesn't come as a surprise that you feel and argue this way.
It's not like there actually is a debate FWIW. Obviously you can push shoddy/outright false results more easily in complex fields (ie. macro), since few people truly understand what is going on. The real problem is closer to the fact that the field is very closely tied to politics than actual lack of academic rigor.

Of course, most of the time this exact "debate" is about nuggets of gold like "fiat money is a scam by the 1%". It's easy to argue garbage when one or both sides don't actually understand what is going on
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:30 PM   #1484
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

Looks like tc is getting slaughtered at showdown. I wonder how a 50k sample would look between these 2 and if it would be much closer then this match.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:35 PM   #1485
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Looks like tc is getting slaughtered at showdown. I wonder how a 50k sample would look between these 2 and if it would be much closer then this match.
Without any information to base this assertion off (other than results ITT obviously), it seems unlikely that DK has a true winrate of 16bb/100 against TC, so it would have to be closer.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:41 PM   #1486
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Donger Kim (BU): $6764 (135 bb)
TCfromUB (BB): $7990 (160 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Donger Kim (BU) raises to $150, TCfromUB (BB) 3-bets to $600, Donger Kim (BU) calls $450

Flop: ($1200) 4 J 3 (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $750, TCfromUB (BB) calls $750

Turn: ($2700) Q (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $1425, TCfromUB (BB) calls $1425

River: ($5550) 5 (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $3989 (all-in), TCfromUB (BB) folds

Total pot: $5550 (Rake: $0)

Donger Kim (BU) collects $5550



PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Donger Kim (BU): $7780 (156 bb)
TCfromUB (BB): $7744 (155 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
Donger Kim (BU) raises to $150, TCfromUB (BB) 3-bets to $600, Donger Kim (BU) calls $450

Flop: ($1200) 4 8 5 (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) bets $800, TCfromUB (BB) raises to $2300, Donger Kim (BU) calls $1500

Turn: ($5800) T (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) checks, Donger Kim (BU) checks

River: ($5800) 7 (2 players)
TCfromUB (BB) bets $4844 (all-in), Donger Kim (BU) folds

Total pot: $5800 (Rake: $0)

TCfromUB (BB) collects $5800
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Old 02-26-2015, 10:02 PM   #1487
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

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no1 can win so much at showdown without running incredibly hot

Isn't that a result of TC tilting?
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Old 02-26-2015, 10:23 PM   #1488
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge



session 13, gg.

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Isn't that a result of TC tilting?
i know ur just a troll, but no there hasnt been any tilt on my part.
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Old 02-26-2015, 11:12 PM   #1489
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

Nice challenge!

Btw, TC how much of a role do you think variance and sample will play in this sample? I'm asking because i'm not much familiar with HU standard sample sizes and also was thinking whether or not this two factors played a huge roll in that blue line of dongs?


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Old 02-26-2015, 11:38 PM   #1490
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

1960 hands

23 buy ins

1 man

An underdog story (probably not) coming to you, this fall
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Old 02-27-2015, 12:48 AM   #1491
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

One hundred fifteen grand in two thousand hands, I can do that. I've gone on rushes like that before.
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Old 02-27-2015, 01:57 AM   #1492
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

under optimal conditions with a bankroll maybe.
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Old 02-27-2015, 01:59 AM   #1493
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

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One hundred fifteen grand in two thousand hands, I can do that. I've gone on rushes like that before.
Wasn't that martingaling Keno though? This is a completely different beast to conquer.

You're a class act TC - much respect!
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Old 02-27-2015, 02:06 AM   #1494
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

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+1. What science debates need is a little more San Quentin rec yard aesthetic.
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Old 02-27-2015, 02:43 AM   #1495
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

Won 24 buyins in 13k hands at showdown.. Dong please tell me how to run that HOT!!
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Old 02-27-2015, 04:07 AM   #1496
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Yeah in all seriousness respect to TC, would be fun to see a rematch in 6 months .
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Old 02-27-2015, 04:17 AM   #1497
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under optimal conditions with a bankroll maybe.
haha needs

good stuff guys, been enjoying railing this

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Old 02-27-2015, 05:18 AM   #1498
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Re: Donger Kim to Nick Frame (TCfromUB) HU Challenge

ditto! can't say this is the best outcome for future battles (****, this could realistically be one of the last good ones we see) but it has been very worthwhile to sweat every day. thanks to both of you for doing this in a public atmosphere and behaving as gentleman while doing so.

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Old 02-27-2015, 05:27 AM   #1499
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no1 can win so much at showdown without running incredibly hot
I really would like to know which are TC/Dong opinions about this, since I guess no one better than them can judge, even if they could have different point of views about it.
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Old 02-27-2015, 05:42 AM   #1500
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Cheers for the money mates, xx
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