What's the status of the class action lawsuit vs. FTP?

Um...no, this isn't true. Cops enforce laws they don't necessarily agree with all the time. Legislation and enforcement are two different animals.

In this case I think it's definitely possible that the DOJ was consulted during the writing of the UIGEA, so in this specific case the DOJ may have had a hand in the law creation process, but your blanket statement is entirely incorrect.

This is Prospaces' big project! He often sounds obsessive and is from time to time advocating action that is impractical. Never the less, many of his rants are actully full of much truth and lots of what he advocates would be very effective if there was a practical way to get it done! Time will likely prove some of his ideas goofy, but I am sure lots of it are spot on!

I have to do more research and post later. I believe that corruption within the DOJ specifically Eric Holder forced this action. Also, when I say sue, I also mean having a lawyer file an official complaint with the Inspector General. So sue the US government, and simultaneously file complaint with IG for investigation.

You're talking about different shades of grey, not two different animals. It's a convenient and effective ruse for the government to use "good guy/bad guy" tactics to try and convince us that one branch is "only doing their jobs". Tomorrow, it will be another Waco and the Executive Branch will be telling us about the bad DOJ. They simply go back and forth to accomplish whatever cover story they need at the time. Believe me, they're on the same team and they've taken your rights by force and turned you into a criminal. They have not a single redeeming quality. They're just better at the game of hiding their intentions than you are at defining their intentions. But then again, they've been at it a lot longer than you have.

I think that would be for FTP thread. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...fs-op-1089355/

Spot on!

man you folks just don't know squat, but spew legal advice like you spew chips at the casinos you have been forced into...

lol, they gave us a day

Yeah I posted on here before them about it but did not start thread because I was unsure. But I don't have a team of lawyers like they do. Also, years ago the head of PPA got millions in donations from Leon Black who owns Caesars. They scoffed at me when I posted that in PPA section.

Don't understand second part of your statement? As for the first part, you don't think Gibson Guitars has an attorney? I'm suggesting more active roll than PPA is taking. PPA is looking out for Casinos not players.

But as soon as things went down FTP was gone from PPA.

Yes there are contradictions but let me make an attempt at an analogy for sake of argument:

Let me explain some contradictions for this by using an analogy. Lets say you have McDonalds. McDonalds wants to get rid of future competition from private companies or growing franchises. they use lobbyists to lobby for more strict health codes or fire codes for hoods. The efforts go through and now there are more firecodes and health safety laws. McDonalds is able to cope with the increased costs of doing business, but the new laws have stifled future competition.

This is pre online poker but could be tapping him now for favors.
http://littlesis.org/relationship/view/id/172506

I'm not saying I'm 100% right about PPA, I'm just saying there is something fishy about players not hearing about right to lay claim to frozen money until day before deadline. It's possible that doesn;t apply to frozen money but rather confiscated moneys. I don't know but if you dig in my posts you will see I posted about it before them. I'm not a lawyer and should not have dug that possibility up before them.

BTW I'm preparing to start a thread to start lobbyist group 100% non profit and no salaries.

There's a reason why there are laws related to importing/using endangered materials and/or animals. No relation to online poker, stop looking to the DOJ as an evil entity.

Ah, I deleted that post about a minute after making it, you got me! Though I do stand behind it, I just didn't want to further end up getting into it here, it's not a good debate forum (though you're pretty reasonable in your debate tone and forum conduct from what I've seen).

But a lot of these guys have given money to other politicians at various times.

Your link shows the former Senator (and most of these people take money from people like Black) took 25k from Black in 1997, and took $5k total prior to that. That's definitely an interesting thing to look at, but I don't think 25k in 1997 when he was a senator, 15 years ago, has any sway for something as big or as important as the PPA probably is to D'amato.

Just for ****s and giggles, look up Governor Perry's donations in the 80s, you'll probably fine some funny stuff.

It just reminds me of watching the daily show or something, you'll see Perry touting a Hillary Clinton plan and it's funny and entertaining, but it doesn't mean Perry loves Hillary now or will do a damn thing for her (or vice versa).

I don't want to argue or detract from your work any more though, so keep up your work, but please try to draw less conclusions on some of this stuff if you can!

Hi, Not arguing really just healthy debate. I'm busy myself but plan on starting new lobbyist group. I'll Pm it to you and see what you think when you get chance.

Gibson claims it wasn't illegal. DOJ as whole is not evil. Eric Holder has been responsible for defending gun running terrorists and getting them off with 25 million in fines. So there are entities (high level) within DOJ that are corrupt.

Selective enforcement of laws ftw.

not sure if sarcastic

I wanted to add that the entire internet is going crazy over this raid. It's even on :

I didn't actually link but you get the idea.

Oops edited added a bunch of URLs and it automatically linked so I removed. Just google "doj raid gibson guitars raided forum"

It's not just the DOJ that's corrupt, it's the entire Federal Government. We poker players just happen to be caught up in this small segment of their corruption.

It's going to be difficult for you to see because you have been educated in the Government Run schools and taught the Government Approved curriculum. You've never studied the dark side of Government. Was Joseph Stalin ever mentioned in your studies? The Government Approved curriculum always portrays Government as benevolent, and ignores or lies about Governments like the Soviet Union, Red China, and dozens of brutal dictatorships around the world. Governments are by nature corrupt, but you'll never learn that. You have to think outside the box, because the box has been constructed by your oppressors.