I suspect you're the type of person who only reads the first paragraph of articles that you click on, because I just read the (whole) first 10 articles that came up on a google search for "lebron james keto", and all of them mention the snippet that you refer to (lean meat, fish, fruits, vegetables), but then go into more detail, explaining that he indeed had a Low carb-high fat ketogenic diet.

Secondly, he didn't "ditch" the diet, he underwent heavy training for 2 months while on the ketogenic diet, as a professional athlete, which is a concept that refutes Loctus' post and supports Mason's assertion.

lol You have to be trolling. He did it for 2 months in 2014 and never did it again haha I wonder why? What more do I need to read? Keto is an effective way of losing weight sure but is it effective for athletic performance? Training in the offseason is not the same as performing in an actual game. He did it because he wanted to slim down going into the season. If he thought it would help him play better during the season he would still be doing keto.

You are wrong.. Keto is a terrible choice for performance athletes, and really anyone who wants to do high exertion training. This has been studied, keto (or rather, going low low carb) just slashes your performance in bits. It's not even strange: The body is fueled by carbs when trying to do intensive stuff. It's the most efficient fuel. And you remove the most efficient fuel if you... You know.. Don't eat it.

This has been repeated over and over again in studies, and as someone else wrote earlier: How many pro athletes are on keto? The answer is basically none. If not literally none. Because if they even try it their performance just drops massively.
https://www.minervamedica.it/en/jour...99N00A18040408


edit: you are correct that many "keto experts" would disagree with my statement though, but that would be due to them being ideology driven crusaders, and not due to it being based in facts, studies, or reality

While Keto may not be ideal for some types of pro athletes (debatable as I follow many endurance athletes that are keto/carnivore) the general population are not high performance/pro athletes and would benefit greatly from at least cutting out sugar, grains and seed oils to start. I went from SAD, to Low Calorie, to Low Carb, to Veg/Vegan, to Keto during my weight loss journey and Keto was by far the easiest WOE and most satiating while trying to lose weight. I am now 8 months carnivore (not trying to lose weight any longer) and have never felt better (eating only once or twice a day), and have never been leaner. At 47 I am in better shape (and weigh less) than when I was 17. Carnivore/Zero-Carb has alleviated a number of inflammation related conditions that had plagued me for decades.

Edit: there actually is a lot of recent keto science and studies that debunk a lot of what you said in the previous post mason quoted and disagreed with.

I can second almost all of this.

About 6-8 months into my low carb/keto journey. In December I weighed 265+ and am now hovering around 215lbs which was what I played basketball at in high school. I am 44. In some ways I'm in the best shape of my life. Leaner, running 8+ miles with ease, doing more pull ups than I could in high school.

I was stronger in college because other than dumbbells I haven't really been lifting this year. I don't play basketball now so I can't run up and down the court like I used to. But I'm pretty happy with where I'm at.

The inflammation in my knees and elbows has been greatly reduced. Also feel like focus and alertness is at all time high.

Not saying I couldn't have done this without keto. It's just for me I have found that carbs are a slippery slope and eating keto feels more natural to me than anything I have tried before.

Daniel trying a keto vegetarian approach would be interesting. I think the hormone response would be a benefit to him at his age.

Vegan fat (rake) ..more of it is actually better.

It keeps the toxins (pros) away

Get it?

I've already said some people may find keto better for them due to preference. The claims I make is that:
1. Keto is not superior to a carb-infused diet for body composition or weight loss when total calories and protein intake is equated.
2. Keto is inferior to a carbohydrate-infused diet for people who do high-exertion work and want to perform as well as they can when doing it

Those two points are fully backed by science and studies show that it is so, over and over. Real world application as well. If keto works for you and you find it easy to adhere to; great. Stick with it.

I mean all I really have said is that moderation is the best idea, consuming mostly whole foods is a good idea, and keto is sub par for performance athletes. That these simple ass statements get attacked by you guys, with no basis, shows what ridiculous zealots you are being

Mason,
I have not studied the subject, but need a better diet. Can you link a relevant article that you agree with so that we can know exactly which diet has resulted from your research?

Thanks.

I feel much better and more energetic after switching to a healthy diet including lots of meat.

People who become vegan/vegetarian love quoting this as a big positive for their change in diet. In reality the change is because they are now actively looking at the contents of their food and choosing healthier options than they were before.

Correlation without causation.

Also, this paragraph is absolutely savage!

This. And the primary reason Keto diets have demonstrated to be modestly better at losing weight than less-carb restricted diets is due to the satiation and appetite control that higher amounts of protein and fat provide (ie, easier to keep to diet), rather than due to any metabolic issues with carbs.

Hi fizzy:

First, i’m about 20 years older than you and have played tennis since I was a kid. And for what this is worth, since going on the diet my tennis game is noticeably better. Now i’m not playing like I was in my mid-20’s again, but i’m definitely playing better timing and coordination wise than I was just a year ago.

Best wishes,
Mason

Hi Cactus:

You’ve made another good point and it’s that many people who go on Keto actually claim reductions in pain. Of course, this is anecdotal, but it is out there.

Best wishes,
Mason

Hl zero:

While what you say is true, the Keto experts would say there’s a lot more to it. Specially the reduction in insulin is the key.

Best wishes,
Mason

Fast insulin release is only an issue for carbs with high glycemic loads. And even meals with high GL carbs can moderate insulin response with the inclusion of proteins and fats.

'Die In A Carb Fire'

Jesus, Mason. I'm one of the guys on your side, but you need to have a hard look at your headspace. You're wishing someone a slow sickly death. Snap out of whatever funk he's put you in.

I don't consider poison a food group. You can get plenty of protein, fat and carbohydrates on a whole food plant based diet and I would never advocate shunning any of those because I am not mentally ******ed.

LOL, animal products are now 'poison'?

Components of heart healthy diet may differ from what was previously thought

PURE: Healthy Diet Including Dairy and Meats Good For Hearts Worldwide

p.s. there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

Keto is a fad diet. It's just another spin on a low carb diet among many that uses a "trick" to induce a caloric deficit, which is the only mechanism through which you lose weight.
The reason low carb diets work is because most overweight people are overweight because of their habits of overeating (generally unhealthy) carbohydrates and when you force them to completely exclude them it eliminates the vast majority of calories that were previously resulting in a caloric surplus.
The other part of the trick is the limited food choice* that will get you sick of the same foods so you start eating less simply because you're sick of the foods. That 5 eggs for breakfast can easily turn into 3 when you have to keep having to do god damn eggs for breakfast every day for a month.
So yes, keto will likely lose you weight, but so will Twinkies if you eat in a caloric deficit. It doesn't make it healthy.

The healthy way to do it is to figure out your TDEE (genuinely wonder if ketards in this thread even know what TDEE is), track your calories and eat without being a moron who avoids health foods. Using myfitnesspal for a week won't kill you.
"But **** man, that **** is hard, have you heard about keto?"

Keto is an unsustainable fad diet for lazy bastards who can't do fitness and nutrition properly.

Keto loses less fat and more muscle than a high carb diet (lol) in a metabolic ward experiment (the gold standard):
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/104/2/324/4564649

The ketard cult, just like any other diet cult, is based on the same principle. Uneducated lazy fat folks who failed at losing weight their whole life find that one miraculous diet (spoiler:it's caloric deficit, not miracle) that finally works and they will never falter in their conviction that their diet is the ONE TRUE DIET.
Seriously every time someone passionately goes on about keto I can't help but imagine they're a clueless soccer mom called Karen who just used keto to lose 1.24kg and get at her "ideal bodyweight" for summer.

Keto also plays at people's cognitive bias as they desperately want bacon and eggs and whatever else to be healthy. But they're not. They're just not. They will never be healthy.
These are people who never listened to their mum and ate their fruit and veg and now they finally have some pseudoscience to defend their ridiculous habits that will drive them into an early grave.
It's sad when even supposed psychology expert crumble under cognitive bias and can't reason properly when their habits are in question.
Bacon and eggs are not healthy, grow up and eat your god damn fruit and veg if you want to live a long and healthy life.

*I know there's going to be a ****** thinking salad is the only vegan food but w/e. Plant based diet is far FAR less restrictive than keto.

Hi fish:

I’m sorry, but you sound a little like Negreanu. Most Keto diets advocate a moderate amount of protein, so you don’t stuff the bacon down all throughout the day. Also, there are lots of good fats, and olive oil would be an example which i’m sure you’ll agree is much better than lots of bacon fat. However, consistent with what you say the Keto attitude towards eggs is very positive.

Best wishes,
Mason

fish94 is so far behind the science it is scary. I am out of here and hopefully won't open this thread again out of boredom/curiosity.

Just "******ed" then?

oof. low blow

Not exactly. Negreanu publicly states that i’m someone with a lot of issues, like autism and no social skills who is way behind the times. He has also said i’m incompetent and not capable of any sound advice, and my attitude is that he’s entitled to his opinion. I’m also just stating what I believe is a fact. If I say that low carb is good, it’ll make him more reluctant to move towards it. It’s also ironic that many of the things he advocates, my opinion is the opposite.

Best wishes,
Mason