The high entry and unlimited rebuys tournaments are a newer thing. Doubt he was spending 1.9 million in 2010.

That's quite a bunch of bad estimates.

2019 was the first year to have more than 80 events. 2017 was the first to have more than 70. 2006 had 45 events. 2000 had 24. Not to mention the fact that Daniel is not a casino employee. a senior, a super senior, or a lady.
...and not even Mike Leah manages to play every single event.

Bearing in mind the amount of **** you pull out of your arse in this thread, when was the last time you actually used a toilet?

Pete you compulsive contrarian, I made it clear I was talking about his entire career averages, so was factoring in higher number of recent events and lower number of older events to reach an average. I would estimate he rebuys an average of three buy ins per event this series, with lots of events, so that counterbalances older series with less buy ins. But it is pointless explaining this to you, you just argue without considering what you are arguing about.

So do I doubt it, but he is buying $2.6M buy ins recently, so, once again, I point out I was averaging over a poker career.

Blimey, surely it isn't that hard to understand what an average is.

You are living proof that it is.

Jay Why what point are you trying to make here? DN should quit? Shouldn’t stream? Should look for a new profession? Or you just jealous of his life?

Clearly you are obsessed for some reason..... why though....

I change my mind, Daniel is better than I thought he was.
Last 10 years

29-Jun-2014 United States WSOP $ 1,000,000 No Limit Hold'em - The Big One for One Drop (Event #57)
45th World Series of Poker - WSOP 2014, Las Vegas 2nd
Prize $ 8,288,001

27-May-2018 United States $ 300,000 No Limit Hold'em
2018 Super High Roller Bowl, Las Vegas 2nd
Prize $ 3,000,000

11-Jul-2019 United States WSOP $ 100,000 No Limit Hold'em - High Roller (Event #83)
50th World Series of Poker - WSOP 2019, Las Vegas
2nd Prize $1,725,838

09-Feb-2014 Australia A$ 250,000 No Limit Hold'em - $250,000 Challenge
2014 Aussie Millions Poker Championship, Melbourne 4th
Prize $1,119,610

11-Apr-2013 Australia WSOP A$ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em - WSOP APAC
World Series of Poker Asia-Pacific - WSOP APAC 2013, Melbourne 1st
Prize $1,087,160

06-Jan-2011 Bahamas $ 100,000 + 500 No Limit Hold'em - Super High Roller Event
PokerStars Caribbean Adventure - PCA 2011, Paradise Island
2nd Prize $1,000,000

21-Oct-2013 France WSOP € 25,000 + 600 No Limit Hold'em - High Roller (Event #7)
World Series of Poker Europe - WSOPE 2013, Enghien-les-Bains 1st € 725,000 Prize $979,955

25-May-2015 Monaco No Limit Hold'em - Shark Cage Season 2 Entry restricted
Shark Cage Season 2, Monte Carlo 1st
Prize $966,000

29-Nov-2017 United States $ 100,000 No Limit Hold'em - Super High Roller #1
World Poker Tour - WPT Five Diamond World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 2nd
Prize $936,000

26-Sep-2009 England WSOP £ 10,000 + 350 No Limit Hold'em - WSOPE Main Event
World Series Of Poker Europe - WSOPE 2009, London 2nd
Prize $817,035

29-Apr-2012 Monaco € 25,000 + 500 No Limit Hold'em - 8 Max High Roller
European Poker Tour - EPT Monte Carlo Grand Final, Monte Carlo 2nd
Prize $790,304

18-Dec-2015 United States $ 100,000 WPT Alpha8 - No Limit Hold'em High Roller (Event #18)
World Poker Tour - WPT Five Diamond World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 3rd
Prize $640,103

05-Jul-2015 United States WSOP $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Main Event (Event #68)
46th World Series of Poker - WSOP 2015, Las Vegas 11th
Prize $526,778

06-Jan-2018 Bahamas $ 99,700 + 300 #1 No Limit Hold'em - Super High Roller
PokerStars Caribbean Adventure - PCA 2018, Paradise Island 4th
Prize $521,140

None of those. It is interesting to watch sportsmen at different stages of their career, and the last two years in Negreanu's career have been really interesting to watch. This thread has now had 1M hits, so clearly there are lots of others also interested in his progress. Also his career is a snapshot of a poker players career, and pokeer in general, so interesting to see that.

Years ago I worked in a benefits office giving benefits advice to callers to the office, and kept getting into rows with them, as lots of them were angry and abusive, and I was so stressed it didn't take much to trigger me. Once I stopped working with the callers it was less stressful. Negreanu's streaming tantrums remind me of that, so he certainly shouldn't stream while so stressed, as he is just getting sucked into stupid abusive rows.

In the past he did great stuff, making vids to teach people how to play different versions of poker. I noticed once he was getting stick here for his blow ups when losing he started taking them more calmly, so hopefully that lasts for him and he goes back to being a positive element in poker instead of being a negative one.

I think the blowups are hilarious, and one of the few reasons I would even bother watching one of his streams

He was never a great online player, so watching to learn poker, when is tons of crushing regs streaming would be silly

Also he’s probably streaming because he’s getting paid to and not necessarily because he wants too.

It's funny how big these numbers look, but when you consider the buy-ins, not so much. Online you never celebrate winning 5x or 10x your money back.

Yep. I'd much rather win 100 grand in the WSOP ME than $110 in the Big 11

IMO Daniel is probably still living off residuals from his original Xbox game "Stacked". Everyone I knew had that game. Must have sold 20 million copies.

That average of $1.9M buy ins per year is loltastic. Rebuy tournaments existed in 2003-2008, and that was only one or two per series. Re-entry didn't exist until 2012, with one tournament in 2012 and 2013.

As already mentioned there's not an average of 70-80 tournaments per year (70+ only came in from 2017), you couldn't re-enter a tournament before 2014 outside of a select few rebuy tournaments (2012/13 had one re-entry tournament), he can't play every tournament, and the first tournament with an over $10k buyin didn't exist until 2006, and the first over $50k didn't exist until 2012. He bought in for $760k last year and outside One Drop it was probably one of the more expensive series ever.

And sorry, 4 cashes per year is laughable. HendonMob shows him with 31 cashes this year, 16 last year (plus 7 in Europe), 5 in 2018, 11 in 2017, 9 in 2016 etc.

Curious what these records you looked at show!

Actually it's confusing if you're saying total yearly vs WSOP because you keep saying series. If you're going year total the buyin numbers may make more sense from 2012 on when the One Drop started, but even then from 2013-2017 his yearly total buyins were $10.3m and he cashed for $19m and obviously the 4 yearly cashes is even further off.

As I have mentioned, I was looking at the overall numbers, with the very high number of recent events balancing out the low numbers in the earlier years. But I am always open to correction, so take on board your points. and PeteBlow was quite rightly mentioning that in a year like 2000, before the Moneymaker and televised poker explosion, there were only 24 events, and looking through them Negreanu would only have been eligible for 21 of them. I had a look at that year's results, he didn't cash that year, not sure if he entered any events. What is fascinating is how small the fields were, few events over 200 players, and one event had 30 entrants with 35 rebuys. Here is the link to the 2000 series reporting, and a report which shows how different things were back then. I wonder whatever happened to the promising Phillip Ivey?

https://www.conjelco.com/wsop2000/event14.html

"Event #14 Results
OMAHA (pot limit)
$2,500 Buy-in (Rebuys)
$2,500 in chips

2000 Champion PHILLIP IVEY

Total Prize Pool: $487,500
Number of Entrants: 100, 95 rebuys

PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE
By Mike Paulle

Two poker players met in the present, one represented in quintessence the glorious past of tournament poker, the other represented its potentially fantastic future. One had been playing for generations, the other was in his first generation. As long as poker is played, this might be the day that will be known as the turning point. We may have experienced the day when the past met the present and turned into the future of poker. ..."

After reading your reply, I saw this video.

This did not disappoint. Thanks for the suggestion!

Everyone is now more stupid having read this.

What I said was reflective for the past couple of years, where the large number of rebuys chasing the POY title led to losses, but in the past there were many fewer events, and far fewer rebuys, only 1 rebuy event in 2000 for example, so from the discussion on this thread can see my overall estimate was wide of the mark, and would be more accurate in the recent years when rebuys became so common. Having said that, he has rebought 49 times in a single WSOP tournament, so his buy in costs are high.

Maybe the risk of his vast rebuys possibly bankrupting Pokerstars is why they dropped him (just kidding, before his fan club trot out the "you hate Negreanu" line!)

He should do a reality tv series like the Osbournes, in the same way people love to watch Hellmuth's explosions, Negreanu's are just as entertaining, "I xxxxxxx can't believe it, I lost with pocket 2s" "I xxxxxxx can't believe it, I lost with pocket 8s".

He was named player of the decade in 2014 and presumably made huge $s in tournaments the decade before that. I don't see any reason to believe he is losing since then.

As a tournament player, he probably was never a really top player, and I don't think he is a top player today. I don't know if he was ever that good at cash or online. However, that is different from being a losing donk who just make money from endorsements.

As I've mentioned before, imo Daniel is rich but not near as rich as many people might think..and over the last 15 years he's gotten use to a very expensive lifestyle (cooks, trainers, personal assistants)..daniel is not wealthy enough to allocate a million bucks to donkaments every year without a sponsor or major hedging imo..didn't he sell most of his action the year between stars and gg??

I was waiting for someone to cite that example.
That mega rebuy tally in a 1k was a complete outlier and shouldn’t be used to form any sort of argument here.

JY, your recent posts prove you lack any real abilities to do simple estimations, basic math or logical analysis. Sure, with the benefit of hindsight, you have a remarkable ability to be critical of one’s bust out hands but otherwise your posts just reflect an “unusual” level of personal animus for someone you have never met or interact with in real life. No one is taking your arguments seriously as a result.

If you want to legitimize being the king of the DNeg’s critics, instead of the forum douche, I suggest you post your real info and Hendon mob results so we can judge your results (and your criticisms and advice) against his results.

lmao is this a typo?

I absolutely love those posts by deuceblocker et al, makes me feel like it's 2008 again. When you're a HS reg and watch his stream, it really shouldn't take you very long to realize how big of a fish Danny is. Of course there are much bigger whales in those games, but let me assure you, he's horrendous. The way he raps about it and how he explains why his one-tabling-brain-farts are actually good plays is hilarious.

So WSOP is over, if i see his results correctly, he hasnt finale tabled a single event?

is this true?

how unexpected, that he wouldnt perform online as good as he does live

Player of the decade in 2014, or player of the year in 2014?

No, my mistake, which I have acknowledged, is that I had miscalculated the number of tournaments the guy entered earlier on in his WSOP career, as there were fewer events back then, and less rebuy opportunities. But his published results show he has usually lost in the past few series, and that trend looks likely to carry on for him as he lacks the self critical ability/ humility to accept he needs to learn from his mistakes, as he rarely sees he has made a mistake, so can't learn. Anyway, anyone watching his stream with a poker knowledge can see his basic flaws, one can see them at the time and point them out, it isn't even being wise after the event.

It gets boring people saying I am a critic or hate him, like everyone in life there is good in him and bad in him, and I have pointed out both. He has interacted with me, I was talking to him online about his stance that more rake is better, and he replied to me to explain what he meant and it was helpful to have that direct reply, rather than getting distorted by the media, as reading his reply shows his thinking was very different to how others presented it as being.

The current bottom line is he isnt playing well, is stressed, which leads to more bad play, so hopefully he will reflect that live streaming is more trouble than it is worth, and go back to the edited vids, which are better viewing than him streaming live and getting into abusive rows with viewers who only watch him to wind him up, and he keeps falling for that.