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07-05-2019 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
He didn't pretend to put large chips into the pot. He actually did it.

Are you saying it's an angle to pretend to have done that accidentally? (If that's what actually happened.) Masking your true intentions after a clear bet is now an angle?

To me that's closer to bluffing than a classic angle like moving the chips forward on the river but not releasing them in an attempt to get an opponent to act prematurely.
He pretended like he thought he was putting less into the pot than he was. Woops, did I put that 5k chip in instead of a 1k?
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07-05-2019 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
You seriously think this is an intentional angle by Dnegs???
Intentional, yes. Angle? No. I think it's typical of his personality. Did anyone at the table say anything, or was the response more like, what do you expect it's DNegs.
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07-05-2019 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Spring Mustachio
With his expensive lifestyle and losing poker style Daniel needs Pokerstars to get by. If he left them he'd be broke in 5 years.
So what day exactly is DNeg's Gone Broke Day? May 22, 2024?
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07-05-2019 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
So what day exactly is DNeg's Gone Broke Day? May 22, 2024?
Whatever day his divorce with Amanda becomes final.
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07-05-2019 , 05:37 PM
Guess it depends on how many people he can get to sign up for his Masterclass.
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07-05-2019 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll

Agreed that AK vs A4 hand wasn't that big a deal but it's definitely an angle of sorts. He's also said elsewhere in defense of Torelli that angles are a natural part of edge seeking. He specifically referenced cheating at golf as a necessity.

Negreneau is 100% an angler.
I was playing in a 1-2NL game in my local casino that played big when this exact scenario happened. The guy UTG 2or3, with about $800 in front of him, made a bigger than normal raise, even for this table, then pretended it was an accident & it folded around to me in the BB. I woke up with AA & then pretended to be torn that he put me in a tough spot before going all-in for $500+ & got insta-called by KK.

The funny part of the story was he accused me of angling & got verbally abusive to the point he was 86'd for a month when the rest of the table laughed at him because he was known for having no problem with angling anybody. Fun times.

I also used to be a fan of DN, & even have an account on FCP to this day, until he backed Phil Ivey in his golf scam thing with Ram Vaswani then attacked Phil Gordon over some stupid **** with Eric Lindgren & an appearance on Poker After Dark & an article Phil wrote before appearing on the program. We had a back & forth on his site about both incidents & I lost a lot of respect for him over them & realized he wasn't quite what he tried to represent.
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07-05-2019 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bsheck
Guess it depends on how many people he can get to sign up for his Masterclass.
The woman on the main event stream yesterday wasn't a very good advertisement for his product.
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07-05-2019 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Whatever day his divorce with Amanda becomes final.
Why do you think that they actually got married?

Maybe this is another angle.
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07-05-2019 , 11:08 PM
This is the DN magic in full effect: he gets you smiling and you end up giving away way too much information so he can make a laydown like this:

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07-05-2019 , 11:21 PM
I have a different take on that hand, but since this is the DNegs thread I'll keep that to myself.
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07-05-2019 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I have a different take on that hand, but since this is the DNegs thread I'll keep that to myself.
Tell us damn it!
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07-06-2019 , 12:04 AM
Um, the woman was terrible and the nittiest nit in Nitville.
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07-06-2019 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Um, the woman was terrible and the nittiest nit in Nitville.
As Arthur Fonzarelli would say

CORRECTAMUNDO!
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07-06-2019 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Negreneau does it and then in an interview afterwards admits it was an angle and 2+2 is silent.
I wouldn't say 2+2 was "silent." In fact, I first became aware of that hand because it created some hubbub around here. As I recall, there was an entire thread about it, either in NVG or in Televised Poker. Ordinarily I'd go try to hunt it down but I'm not in a position to do that at this moment.

But even Joe Stapleton, a close friend of Negreanu, made cracks like "That was no misclick, you're suspect, Negreanu, you're suspect" and calls him "Daniel Freitez" during the broadcast. James Hartigan also mentioned previous instances in which Negreanu pulled a similar stunt.
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07-06-2019 , 04:17 AM
It’s been discussed many times ITT and elsewhere. If you think this wasn’t an angle you don’t understand what an angle is or you’re just ******ed.
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07-06-2019 , 04:26 AM
Reminds me of that hand between Tony G and Phil Hellmuth where Tony lied about raising or going all in dark preflop and Phil Hellmuth paid him off for the full amount with AJo. Tony had AK. After the hand Phil Hellmuth was wildly upset with Tony.

These angles aren't really much different than someone trying to act a certain way intentionally by showing weakness or strength in their body language or demeanor. Sometimes it's just false information and often times the opposing players attempt to take advantage of that false information for their own benefit believing it to be the truth. This sort of angle seems fair game to me but to each their own.
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07-06-2019 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Agnoostic
As Arthur Fonzarelli would say

CORRECTAMUNDO!
Plus the fact that the moment four spades showed she immediately reached for her chips, put them in and then sat back confidently may possibly have tipped him off that she liked her hand!
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07-06-2019 , 04:56 AM
Wow great laydown
hey couldn't play too many hands before then surely
Live reads matter
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07-06-2019 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Plus the fact that the moment four spades showed she immediately reached for her chips, put them in and then sat back confidently may possibly have tipped him off that she liked her hand!

Older woman betting into Danny with four spades on board . Any competent poker player makes that an insta fold. Not sure why people think it's such a great lay down?
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07-06-2019 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by The Agnoostic
Older woman betting into Danny with four spades on board . Any competent poker player makes that an insta fold. Not sure why people think it's such a great lay down?
Because it (and Daniel) is made for TV. He did lay down the second nuts, no matter how face up his opponent's hand was, and so they can hype it up in the moment and on Sportscenter in the morning to advertise the main event
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07-06-2019 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3
Reminds me of that hand between Tony G and Phil Hellmuth where Tony lied about raising or going all in dark preflop and Phil Hellmuth paid him off for the full amount with AJo. Tony had AK. After the hand Phil Hellmuth was wildly upset with Tony.

These angles aren't really much different than someone trying to act a certain way intentionally by showing weakness or strength in their body language or demeanor. Sometimes it's just false information and often times the opposing players attempt to take advantage of that false information for their own benefit believing it to be the truth. This sort of angle seems fair game to me but to each their own.
I remember that. I also feel like this kind of thing should be fair play, as long as the hollywood performance doesn't slow down the game too much. To me, people who sit and tank every single hand are way worse than people who ham it up trying to create false reads.
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07-06-2019 , 07:50 AM
Relevant to the above, if Granny had hemmed and hawed and looked uncertain, looked around at her friends on the rail as if to say sorry this might be it, and then bet she might have gotten the call. Hell she could even have said to Danny, "well if you've got the Ace then you win".
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07-06-2019 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NorsteinBeckler
Relevant to the above, if Granny had hemmed and hawed and looked uncertain, looked around at her friends on the rail as if to say sorry this might be it, and then bet she might have gotten the call. Hell she could even have said to Danny, "well if you've got the Ace then you win".
That specific line wouldn't work very well, as he had the king, and that line only reps the king
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07-06-2019 , 09:07 AM
Yeah I realized that after I typed it but anyway, something along those lines.
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07-06-2019 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
It’s been discussed many times ITT and elsewhere. If you think this wasn’t an angle you don’t understand what an angle is or you’re just ******ed.
I guess I don’t understand angles. Can you define an angle so that it includes this play and not most of poker?

I’ve always defined an angle as a player being deliberately misleading about their action to get a response. Moving chips forward as if you’re calling but keeping your hand on the stack to get the opponent to flip over their hand; mixing a big chip in with an otherwise normal stack to mislead about bet size; saying ambiguous things like “you’re good” on the river to get an opponent to flip their hand over. Those are all over the line for me.

But if the action is clear and the player is being misleading about their motive?
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