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06-15-2010 , 10:59 PM
DN-interesting poker personality, mixed picture. Rails against other players ego's, but signs off as the "Card Player Magazine Player of the Year"
.............. of a long time ago, similar to the way a certain, tall player, always
seems to work his number of WSOP bracelets into an article.

Small dude, huge ego, funny at times, ugly at times.and making a good
friggin living off of poker.
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06-16-2010 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by prohornblower
This is the only way Negreanu can remain relevant anymore.
+1
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06-16-2010 , 10:39 AM
lol @ Joan Rivers
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06-17-2010 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Vas Legas
Ime a bit bored of DN calling people out, UB, Pokernews, Hellmuth, Shawn Deeb and Annie Duke. And thats just the last two weeks.

fwiw I agree with him on quite a few things but he is coming across as a bitter person. He used to have a fun jokey personality, where has that guy gone?

I don't know if that is true. But if it is, I would think what he went through the last year with his mother, might have an effect on that. I imagine watching your mother confined to a bed, unable to speak or feed herself, until finally dying, would do something to a man's outlook on life.
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06-17-2010 , 03:08 PM
@ MMAdoc

Your point is kind of off - Annie Duke declared herself the greatest female player. Daniel Negreanu had the title bestowed upon him by an internationally-recognised company. In that, there is a world of difference.
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06-17-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunt Puncher
I... I imagine watching your mother confined to a bed, unable to speak or feed herself, until finally dying, would do something to a man's outlook on life.

Agree.


Plus the loss of hair, no longer young and up-and-coming, getting beat up repeatedly on High Stakes Poker, getting beat up on Poker Stars according to Poker Table Ratings over almost 200K hands.


All of this can drive any human being over the edge.
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06-17-2010 , 05:13 PM
True. But I'm pretty sure if those other things were all reversed, I'd still have a bit of bitterness over the mom thing.
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06-17-2010 , 05:27 PM
I was looking through some of the old RGP discussions recently. It seems he's always been like this.

If there's something he disagrees with he seems to speak up and he has no problem doing so publicly.

He had called out Russ Hamilton and Men The Master years ago on RGP.

I think it's unfortunate that OP posted his previous comments on AD. Though their not best buds they seem to have burried the hatchet and that stuff doesn't need to resurface. There were some posts from Lederer defending his sister that I saw too. There was some serious tension between them. They seem to get along decently enough on TV poker shows now.

All he's saying now is that Duke claims that female only tournaments don't help female poker pros get ahead in the poker world, meanwhile she's calling herself the best female poker player on her site.
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06-17-2010 , 05:28 PM
hmm now im wondering if there was a "good" side in the Joan rivers and annie duke bickering.
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06-17-2010 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyanD
I mean if DUke calls herself the best woman in poker, what should we call Liebert: best in the galaxy?
Only Alan Boston is qualified to make that decision.
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06-17-2010 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunt Puncher
I don't know if that is true. But if it is, I would think what he went through the last year with his mother, might have an effect on that. I imagine watching your mother confined to a bed, unable to speak or feed herself, until finally dying, would do something to a man's outlook on life.
Excuse NOT going to hold up in court.
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06-17-2010 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Rivers
Only Alan Boston is qualified to make that decision.
lol awesome.
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06-18-2010 , 11:49 PM
At 21:40 in this video, Daniel has a UB hat on...so much for never supporting them from the start...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9954q...eature=channel
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06-19-2010 , 12:03 AM
annie puke
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06-19-2010 , 12:12 AM
Isn't this a typical defense mechanism by Daniel Negreanu? If we're talking about someone else we're never talking about me.
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06-19-2010 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
At 21:40 in this video, Daniel has a UB hat on...so much for never supporting them from the start...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9954q...eature=channel
FWIW
I don't think DN has ever denied this. In a recent pokercast, he admits that there are pictures of him with UB gear on. He claimed that once he heard that Russ Hamilton was involved with UB, he bailed on it.
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06-19-2010 , 03:30 AM
and don't forget he called Doyle a "big fat cheat."

but somehow that is all forgotten...
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06-19-2010 , 10:37 AM
i hate Annie Puke but sometimes Daniel can be a dick too.
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06-20-2010 , 04:40 AM
I just don't get why he cares what Annie says. He'd be better served to keep his mouth shut here.
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06-20-2010 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nuisance
They need to just bang and get it over with already.
this
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06-21-2010 , 05:01 AM
oh cool, a douchebag and trailer trash who both suck at poker going at it. interesting.
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06-21-2010 , 06:13 AM
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If you polled Vanessa Selbst, Vanessa Rousso, Annette Oberstad, Jennifer Harman, Kathy Liebert, Liv Boeree, Maria Ho, Evelyn Ng, Kristi Gazes, and Mimi Tran,
LOL! How did these names get stuck in there?
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06-21-2010 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Fear&Loathing
i hate Annie Puke but sometimes Daniel can be a dick too.
This.
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06-23-2010 , 09:12 AM
Annie Duke the best female poker player in the world?
No, but I think some posters are going a bit far in deriding her as a terrible player. She is probably one of the top 10. Her tournament winnings at $4.7m are second only to Kathy Liebert:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/ranking/137#2

and it is not fair to dismiss the whole list as a few lucky cashes:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=74

However, some of the big wins were definitely in less challenging circumstances than others, especially the $2m which was in an 8-player invitational. Also, there are no recent major cashes.

I think it would be fair to say she was once a contender for best female player but most would have put her behind Jen Harman. Today she is definitely not the best but I think that is partly because she no longer puts in the hours etc, prefering to spend her life in different ways.
Whatever the case, I think people lose respect by making bold self-promotional claims which are not clearly anchored in fact. She should qualify the claim by stating on what measure she is judged the best and by who. Her claim is in effect disrespectful to other top female players with stronger claims like Kathy, Annette and Jen.

Even if she were clearly the best player on the planet it would be better to let others say it rather than plastering it all over the media herself.

Annie Duke right about the women in poker?
It is difficult to nail down her position here. I think her comments on the womens event would carry more weight if she didn't write books like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Annie-Duke-Blu...7297412&sr=1-1

and make DVDs like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Poker-...7296145&sr=1-6

It is inconsistent to say on the one hand that women and men should be treated equally in poker while at the same time producing products aimed at female poker players and making claims about her status among that subgroup. Does she think that the sex of the player is a meaningful distinction to make or not?

Annie Duke a nice person?
I don't know. Like most people here I don't know her personally. I have never sat on her table in a tournament. I can comment on her (self created) media image though. I think she is very intelligent and has a strong drive to succeed and I admire her charitable endeavours. If she wasn't (i) involved with UB (where it seems obvious she is more than just a "consultant") and (ii) so self-promotional, I would regard her as one of the more positive characters in poker.
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06-23-2010 , 10:25 AM
More From Annie

Respectfully, this is not true.

1) I am a women, a female. I can believe that the event is not legal and still refer to myself as a woman. I can believe women can compete with men and still acknowledge that I am a women. If there is a black senator rallying for equal rights he can still call himself a black senator. On Daniel’s argument, if I said I was a female poker player, period, this would invalidate my argument. Obviously, this is ridiculous. I have countered everyone one of his arguments and his only response is to say I can’t speak because I have a tag line on my site. I would prefer for him to actually point by point respond to the arguments in my posts. I am also happy to agree to disagree. But to claim that all of my arguments are invalid (which they can’t be since two of them are legal arguments so it wouldn’t matter who was arguing them) because I refer to myself as a female poker player, best or otherwise, is illogical and diverting the attention away from the real issue which is Harrah’s had to let the men enter because the event is not legal.

2) I challenge you to find anywhere aside from this one tag line on my site, where I ever refer to myself as the best player at all. The tag on the site is a marketing line for UB to increase SEO. I am sorry if that offends you but you will find nowhere in print that *I* say that I am the best, female or male. Google it.

3) I also challenge you to find anywhere that I say anything personally negative and degrading toward another pro, including DN. I challenge you to find the same for Chris Ferguson, or Phil Hellmuth or my brother or any of the other people who have been the object of his affection in his blogs in the past.

RESPONSE:
Nick says:
June 15, 2010 at 5:33 pm

You and Daniel both have strong opinions on this subject. I will admit that your debating skills are very good and the points you raise are all very well thought out and explained. However, you sidestepped the “Best Female Poker Player in the World” question by saying its a UB tagline. You claim you never say it in print but its the first thing on your personal website which I assume you have great control over. If you don’t believe it to be true or believe that men and women should not be segregated in the poker field, isn’t it hyprocritical to have that statement appear on your own website? Since it is not a quote from anyone and appears as a statement by leaving it up, it implies you endorse it.
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