Hand starts 21:40.

http://www.pokertube.com/videos/ept1...h-roller-ep02/

I think he is faking it based on his gestures, fake smile and laugh and everything plus the fact that Zugwat had been running him over earlier. I'm not saying it's wrong but it seems kind of scummy to really try to make it look like a misclick. And they said in the broadcast that Daniel has a history of doing this.

Thoughts?

It seems scummy to raise to 45k and pretend you meant to raise to 9k?

Do you think it's scummy to bluff? What's the difference.

I think the push there is absolutely ******ed. He risked his whole stack for 50k in chips? Best case scenario is he's a coin flip, but he's likely dominated. In a super high roller event, I don't like that play at all.

DN did nothing wrong. May of been douchey but not scummy, big difference IMO. Remember a famous hand between Ivey and Brian Townsend where BT admitted to purposely doing something similar.

Are you saying that, because BT did it too, that there is nothing wrong with doing it, or that BT is unethical too?

Just because BT and DN did it does not make it acceptable behavior.

DN has a big image to support.

Of course, a few years ago, in the WSOPE main event, he said, "I'll pound you back a little bit," and made a string raise against Shaun Deeb, and, when the floor person arrived to make a ruling, DN said, "I said, 'I'm gonna pound it up a little bit.'"

DN still thinks and plays like he did when he was much younger.

seems ok to me, poker is all about deception. Its not an angle at all. I think the guy with KJ could have read the situation differently. If negreanu was weaker than KJ would he really announce to everyone left in teh hand that he didn't mean to put that many chips out. I guess possibly because you would think he would only do that with a big hand so knowing this he might make that table talk with a weaker hand. Its just all around a mind **** for the guy with KJ I suppose. Funny hand anyway.

It's obviously an angle. If someone who wasn't a stars pro pulled this stunt the commentators would rip them to pieces.

Fake misclick or not, either it's fine. It's not angleshooting or trying to exploit any sort of rule, more similar to a "Ah screw it, I'm tired and wanna go home, all in!" type of play that beginners like to do sometimes (and is obviously usually the nuts). People have been doing this forever, even online in something like 100nl if a reg's standard raise size was $3.50 and they made it $35 and added "oops", it's more of a leveling war and determining how likely a misclick is vs a fake misclick, etc. If he has it and you fell for it, it's no different from any other deceptive bet like "fake tilt shove" or "minbet to induce" and whatever - which probably everyone here has done multiple times.

Happens online and can so happen live

vid. of this anywhere? was it on HSP?

It's funny seeing that in a high roller event. Because in the world of 1/2nl cash games, and sometimes 2/5, that's a pretty common and well known stunt that is so obvious that no one falls for it. Whenever someone makes a big overbet like that, or especially when he throws in two $100 chips and says oops, I meant those to be quarters, it's a monster for sure.

i 100% think he meant it and dont care

agreed

No, online. BT wrote about it in a blog. Says he's a notorious misclicker, says Ivey knew he misclicks, and he knew that Ivey knew. They were playing 500/1k HU NL. BT had AA and the btn and raised to 30k, Ivey tanked shoved, BT obv snap called.

lol at anyone thinking this is scummy or even an angle. Its pretty amateur and its surprising anyone would fall for it, but nothing wrong with it.

I haven't seen this hand but there is a video on DC of Krantz fake misclicking 2500 instead of 250 as a cbet after flopping a straight HU vs. Isildur at 25/50. I thought it was clever and still do. Poker is a game of deception; usually deception is frowned upon elsewhere but at the poker table, the more deceptive you are—while still playing within the rules—the better you are playing the game. I'm not sure anyone should be vilified for these clever little angles. Also, there's an old saying that you can't con an honest man. Usually I think that's BS but here you are acting in rational self interest by attempting to capitalize on someone else's attempt to act selfishly, i.e., capitalize on your honest mistake. Turnabout is fair play...maybe. Not sure, actually. I'm open to counter-arguments.

I do think it is a scumbag move and completely unacceptable to say "Bet 2500" as a bluff in a live game and then deliberately only put in 2400 chips or w/e. You're clearly breaking a rule. Faking a misclick isn't a foul.

It's questionable to me in live tourneys when people stack their chips in a way where they basically hide their big chips at the bottom to get called light on a shove. But I guess it's only technically cheating if you ask for a count and they actually lie about their stack. Also, you can ask the dealer for a count to negate miscounts even when it's an honest mistake.

In the first example, you're conning someone out to capitalize on an honest mistake whereas in the latter two you're just conning someone, period.

DN is a nice guy,he would never pull a trick like that
so its a missclick
stop making a big deal out of it Op
lock the thread

Even if it was intentional, who cares? Poker is about out smarting and tricking your opponents. If intentional, DN did a good job of it there.

all those defending his play, would you defend this play also?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxcBy6js7s

Agree 100% with this. Very well put in the right perspective IMO

I don't think these 2 situations are really even that similar. The guy announcing raise and then pretending to call is obviously angle shooting while DN isn't IMO

quoting from TV forum thread:

I used to be a huge fan of Daniels

he seems to get worse and worse

what is the deal with those awful hair plugs lol ?

Of course that hand was a massive level.

It may have been an 'accident' to chuck in 45K, but his act trying to induce action was transparent and pathetic imo

He used to be likable, now he is just annoying on multiple levels

Not sure what delusions of grandeur are spiraling through his genetically bald head lately, but watching some of these clips from recent high roller events, seems to me his douche-o-meter is skyrocketing.

Daniel, settle down and just play poker and put on a baseball hat like everyone else

DN tilts me as much as the next guy but there isn't anything wrong with this lol, douchey at most.

Best Commentary Ever right after the hand

"What is wrong with Daniel? It's like they jammed that hair directly into his brain."