Nice high horse, R*R. Way to be an *******. I have my own negative views on Bilzerian, mainly due to his finances likely coming from the criminal proceeds of his father. Other than that I see no harm in his life really. "Dan's body of work" is basically just spending his time doing what he wants and the women around him are probably having the time of their life, an unimaginably good ***** time, on his dime. So yeaa... If that's what you think of as "pretty disgusting" then whatever

Mods telling people with positive stories or outlooks not to post? Loool no wander 2+2 is so depressing now

a bit aggressive on the fade away, but I totally get where RR is coming from.

First thing I ever knew about Dan B was an uproar he caused years ago when he bragged about hitting a prostitute, as if it was funny. That told me all I needed to know about him as a man and a human being. His convicted dad gave him his money (which I think was stolen from others and why he ended up in jail) but more importantly sounds like his mama didn't love him enough.

Even in a society that sadly still objectifies woman, his objectification is way beyond normal and he benefits from trying to normalize it. The girls themselves are adults and are free to trade whatever they want in exchange for his money. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about his endlessly promoting woman as pieces of meat.

@slfdog It sounds like you a great time and tthats great. I love social games with lots of joking around.. But your depiction of him is way off.

The world will be a better place when Dan's Dad's money finally runs out and he slips back into obscurity.

Grunched the recent posts before my post above but just saw this,

Triple lolz at golfbum.

With 30m followers, Dan is way past the need for any sort of PR man.

Like I said above, its gross he uses that megaphone to perpetuate woman as pieces of meat. but sadly the audience for that is quite large, and he exploits that to his benefit.

Without being too bombastic, every time a woman is raped or abused, Dan can take just a very very small piece of credit for that. grats.

I truly hope he burns in hell for that.

Dan has openly talked about his PR team

I wouldn't change my thoughts about Bilzerian but I do realize my fade away comment came out as rude. Slifdog seems like a good person so it was an off handed comment meant to imply that he could easily get trolled around here (which had already started to happen - posts 3737 and 3738 indicate this) for saying positive things about Blizerian and it was probably a good idea to ignore them.

I wasn't meaning to be rude but I do want to apologize to Slifdog.

It is very seldom that you will find me being rude to posters on this forum.

Apology accepted. You do a lot of good work here and 2+2 is important to me (especially when I was younger).

Not going to further waste my time arguing about Dan's character. Wanted to share my story, mission accomplished.

Anybody load up on Bilzerian stock? Thinking Timmy T. bet the farm.

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/can...trading-volume

Pump and dump.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/10/dan-b...2024/#comments

As much as Blitz is a talentless lying fraud with weak CEO skills, he would be a better choice than Kanye.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/16/dan-b...rugs-drinking/

Wait... what?

Ignore him. Hes one of the worst posters/troll this forum has ever seen

I'm not sure what was puzzling or trollish about his post. Even if you don't agree, I'd be surprised if you can't understand why some people feel that Bilzerian's attitude/actions with/towards women is pretty poor. I'm not one to hand out blame for indirect actions like that, but I completely see where PT is coming from.

As far as we know those women are very happy to be in his company and are paid for it as well. They are voluntary doing this.

So in the same logic these women are also to blame for rape happening across the world?

Logic? Its been discarded in favor of hyperbole.

So using a hyperbole but still wanting the guy to go to hell for it.. interesting.

Except the one that fell a story or two onto concrete, that is.

hey man, we don't know the whole story. we don't even know what she was wearing. for all we know she was asking for it

I'm not saying I entirely agree with him, but I can understand his point and didn't think his post was terrible or trollish.

Nick, to address your points specifically:

I'll put aside poor choices they might be making, whether any of them might be in financial situations that cause them to agree to something they wouldn't otherwise, etc., as we can't really know. And in our capitalist society, it's their right to make that choice, and Dan's to offer it to them.

The thing is, none of that really matters to his point anyway. I believe Dan's image is the issue he's talking about. The whole "lotsa money gets you guns and hoes" Instagram image he's so carefully crafted.

To be fair, that wasn't quite what he put on Dan:

It's not about Dan, or any of those women, being directly at fault for anyone's rape - that would be ridiculous. It's about publicly and proudly living a life that says it's OK and even funny to hit a prostitute, or throw someone off a roof in an obviously dangerous stunt, as long as you pay them well. He's not the first to portray an image like he does, and probably won't be the last. I'm not here to blame our world's misogyny on him. It's been millennia in the making, and it's much, much worse in some cultures and countries than it is here. But I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that Dan isn't helping. He's doing quite the opposite.

With all that context we can definitely agree on most.
But I do still think there is very close link to the poor choices made by in this case the women. Dan is offering and they are willing to accept. So to actually come to the point that matters most; why are they willing? is it indeed their financial situation? If so why do they go for these kind of 'jobs' instead of a job at McD? OR do they actually enjoy it incl. the lifestyle and pay check? in most cases i'm willing to bet the latest.

I am basically saying that not only Dan is facilitating this, the women joining him are as well and are as much to blame is he is. I assume you have seen some content from Dan, from the small sample I have seen much can be derived from that, for instance that most women in that content are thoroughly enjoying themselves.

it to easy to just blame the guy with the money.

lol, how short the memory of people are. Well atleast those threads are deleted now, mr bilz must be the only guy in the history of 2+2 that managed to get old threads deleted.

Actually, I think we can agree on almost everything. My only quibble might be with "and are as much to blame as he is". They are definitely part of the problem, and it is a little too easy to blame the guy with the money...but when in doubt, I'm always going to throw more responsibility on the people with the power on their side, which in this case would be Bilzerian IMO.

And of course I think we'd be remiss in not mentioning the consumers' role in this. If Bilzerian gets no benefit or attention from showing off his lifestyle, it likely stops at some point.

we are now fully aligned and agree on everything. today was a good day