My thoughts as well.

Seems like quite a few stars pro's had worse antics especially on but also off the tables over the years with less consequences.

If he had warnings from Pokerstars before this incident its another story, but please its a football match. Most poker players I know is huge football fans and should be allowed to celebrate (usually quite a few have hefty sidebets to celebrate as well).

His backstory with Holland from WC2010 / Glasgow Rangers make him looks way better as well. Does not seem to be trolling at all then.

So unless its something we dont know, this seems rash and out of context imo.

PS Just making room for new 2014 wsop bracelet winners

I'm sure Dale was allowed to celebrate if he wanted to. He did more than celebrate though. He instantly turned round to the Spanish fans and taunted them, on Spanish soil, while representing PokerStars.

If he had just jumped out his seat and jumped around a little, hugging friends etc, that's different, but his instinct reaction after the goal was to make offensive gestures towards the Spaniards.

Also, for people who aren't familiar with "get it roon/up ye"...what he does at the start towards the Spanish fans, pretty clearly "get it up ye", what he does while smiling and walking back to his lounger (probably after he realised what he just did) was "get it roon ye".

I'm also pretty sure Dale doesn't drink. I am a fan of his blog and used to enjoy watching his videos. He leads a very healthy lifestyle. So there is little to no chance he was drunk and over reacted as a result. He even has a bottle of water in his hand in this video.

Would Dnegs get the boot if he did it? No chance.

I also doubt they would be this harsh if it was Scotland v Spain.

The relationship between stars and their sponsored players is a business relationship where some players may have more to bring to the table than others. It is for stars to decide what is in their interest with regard to a particular contract. Im not sure which pro would have behaved badly though. Has the guy in the craps case been found guilty? And while thats really bad if it happened and bad for pokerstars' image, that guy didnt piss off pokerstars' clients at a pokerstars' event.

In any case acting like Dale did at this event was very very bad from stars point of view and im among those who are not convinced he didnt realise how offensive his behaviour was.

Being a football fan and possibly having bet on a match are irrelevant points, he was there on business, representing pokerstars and should have acted accordingly. So it is in no way out of context. Maybe he didn't realize what precisely was expected of him but that's his mistake.

Stars should just given him a warning, and tell him to try to behave somewhat more professional in "certain settings".

Dales Move: I would be far more afraid of getting jumped and beaten up than anything else. As other people say if you did that in some places in the UK you would not come out alive.

The Stars PRO's who are banned at casino's for hustling/angleshooting or whatever is far more shady than this.


The whole case is ridiclous though.

For Team Online, prolly not

No offence but you sound like a hot head who doesnt think through what they say or do which is why your not capable of seeing the problem here - this may be normal behaviour on a council estate but not for corporate employees on the job. And the Spanish can celebrate however they like they are customers/guests.

InB4 Tonna exchanges his skateboard for a suit and tie.

It's too bad he was sitting in the front and had to have all those people behind them. After his gestures he seemed very uncomfortable twitching breaking his neck looking behind of making sure he didn't get clubbed over the head. Lol next time do like Wild Bill...


back against the wall baby...

Hi Scotty

I think this is the key. It seems like an overreaction by stars on the surface, and I suspect that if it occurred at the actual football stadium where Dale was attending as a fan (even patched up), this would not have been the end result or would certainly be over the top if it was.

The venue in which it occurred and his position there at the time, do push the limits of what stars can reasonably tolerate. He was a contracted brand ambassador. At a sponsored event hosted by his company. Being compensated to represent the brand at their own event. Clearly in this setting he has a much higher standard to uphold.

When a brand ambassador does something stupid on their own time, obv Stars won't like that and there may be ramifications depending on what it was... but when they do something stupid on company time, while directly representing the company, you can expect the reaction to be much more harsh.

The Spanish fans were clearly butt hurt and are LOL-losers for reacting like big babies, but I don't think that's ultimately the issue.

From memory and my view at the game at least 2 other goals had a bit of back and forth between Dale and the Spain fans that a video would help tell the story.

Ironically the very next day I told him that having a bit of an edge is a good thing for a sponsored player as long as he felt his contract was safe. I guess it wasn't safe after all.

For Dale to last as long as he did shows that he must have had a good blog. The vast majority of these bloggers/self whores use up 90% of their value after 1 week of being a Team Online member as their followers will be pushed to play on PS. After that the value of the sponsored player goes way down as followers of said blog already know all about the Pstars product.

No chance of Scotland making the World Cup so we will never know

But I think you're very likely correct.

It could easily look like he's picked to cheer for the opposition of the majority of spectators purely to be confrontational.

Pokerstars should be ashamed of this decision after hearing both sides & viewing the evidence. Totally ridiculous.

Just a bunch of drunken, butthurt spanish fans that decided to get this guy fired because he dared to cheer for the other team. They probably do think he gave them the double 1 finger salute but upon review of the tape it's clear he did not in any way shape or form. Anybody that still thinks he deserved to be fired after looking at the evidence needs to have their head examined.

Pokerstars can do whatever they want but this is absolutely ridiculous.

Actions have consequences, which is something Dale has needed to learn for years. There's no way this is because of a single incident - even his supporters would admit that he is abrasive (which is often why they like him) and he will no doubt have been in trouble before.

He often tries to hide behind the "cultural differences" bit if he's taken stuff too far. It's a crappy excuse purely designed to try and kill the heat so he doesn't actually have to change his behaviour.

Did Dale say his flight was to Austraila ?

Not commenting on Dale's situation specifically but it's funny how many people's reaction when someone gets punished for something is 'that's too harsh, he should have got a warning'.

I would guess that 99.9% of the time the reality is they have had several warnings. No one is going to announce to the world, 'I just got warned for doing something inappropriate. Just want to put it out there so people know'

Same thing happened a few days ago with the Matusow penalty. Did people really think that a TD with 20 years of experience would have just flippantly handed out a penalty without any kind of warning.

Any time a penalty seems harsh, multiple warnings have likely already taken place.

Spot on

Watched the video/read the blog, just a complete over reaction by stars i think.

^^This

people keep saying it is over reaction by pokerstars...I can say, he was lucky that the celebration he made didn't lead to something much worse, considering he wasn't the only one drinking while watching the match.

a btw, it isn't just celebrate a goal. It's turn around to the other team's supporters and basically laugh at them.

he acted like a total idiot and got owned by ps when he thought he wouldn't.

agree with blopp and camel

stars still sponsoring true cheaters/scammers that have been caught MAing/account sharing in HS HUSNGs on your site. anyone else would be outright BANNED

i dont get the double standard with dale. what he did wasnt that bad

van persie's goal got dale fired? strong header there

i doubt stars would drop someone for doing that, looks more like they were just waiting for an excuse to fire dale and this just came up?

What you and some other people don´t seem to get is that he probably didn´t get dropped for that single incident. I guess there may have been quite a history of warnings.

But then again, even if those warnings never existed and Pokerstars just fired him for being a massive tool, what on earth makes you think that a useless poker player with zero marketing pull would deserve to be an "Online Pro" for the world´s biggest Poker Site and make at least $50,000+ a year for being nothing but a big leech? Last time I checked, this guy was a rakeback grinder who couldn´t beat PLO25 lol. I just checked dalerroxxu´s blog back until June 2013 or so and strangely enough, I didn´t see a single graph from HM or something. I guess that´s all you really need to know about this kind of "pro".

This may very well come down to a very rational business decision. The money Pokerstars paid to this guy probably came nowhere near close to what he actually did for them in terms of being an ambassador/affiliate/poker player. The embarassment caused by him celebrating like a brain dead may have been on just about the same level as the embarassment of dragging this guy along in the first place.

I think it´s just super funny that he didn´t realize how he had it made while doing basically nothing, and then just managed to throw it all away. Serious LOL.