At this point the quibbling over death rates seems silly, off-putting, and largely besides the point.

Hopefully everybody has gotten past the early viewpoints (expressed by some) that this crisis was largely created by media fear-mongering, "it's just the flu", "let the old people die", "people do a whole bunch of risky stuff and we don't lockdown cities for those things", etc. Let's take the crisis seriously and use the thread to share information relevant to poker players (and others) around the world.

And, finally, some amount of bashing of the US federal government lack of preparedness and poor initial response to the pandemic was to be expected in this thread and entirely appropriate. But as the government response is getting better (from a very low starting point), going forward maybe the Trump-bashing can be kept in check.

"But Caesars, with eight resorts on the Strip, remained open. Others on and off the Strip are also staying open, such as Las Vegas Boulevard properties Treasure Island, Tropicana, Venetian, Palazzo and the Strat. "

"There have also been no closures of non-Strip properties, meaning casinos in downtown Las Vegas, and the many Station Casinos and Boyd Gaming properties are still operating. The same is true for neighborhood casinos South Point, M Resort, Rampart and both Arizona Charlie’s locations.

All have issued statements saying they are increasing cleaning efforts and implementing new sanitation standards."

https://vegasinc.lasvegassun.com/bus...s-remain-open/

The point is as this gets a grip, as in Italy, and medical resources get overloaded, people wont be able to get proper access to medical treatment, and Italy already is talking of leaving the over 80's to die, so the 8% figure then applies.

One thing that I have noticed is how the current 8% figure has steadily increased, it used to be 6%, then I noticed it had increased to 7%, then quickly moved to 8%. Is this because it reflects medical services overload?

But Italy has 2,749 recovered, and 2,158 died. Spain 530 recovered and 342 died. US 74 recovered and 87 died. All way more than 8%.

Should be extraordinary purchase opportunities in several months, right?

Hey, if we're going to shut down quibbling for this reason, it's time to shut down NVG!

Fair point.

Certainly can't argue with that. Not sure if enough's been done over here, soon enough, but it's good to see it being taken more and more seriously each day.

It's because there is a 2-3 week lag for people moving from the active to recovered column, as it takes that long to recover. Your 7% will decrease significantly in 2 weeks as people start to recover.

Thanks for the helpful explanation.

Active Cases 95,548
Currently Infected Patients 89,385 (94%) in Mild Condition

6,163 (6%) Serious or Critical

Idris Elba has got it and has no symptoms, and only found out he had it as he tested himself after finding someone he knew had coronavirus. So with it being so undetectable unless one specifically tests for it the only way we can have anything like a meaningful figure is to use the one of those who have tested positive for it. So for most people who get it it is mild, but for 6 - 8% it is serious, critical or fatal.

The only hope for a WSOP in 2020 is to have it *IN* China!
By then, THEY will be in good shape.
Unfortunately, the Chinese probably won't allow entrants from affected countries (like the United States) to protect their citizens.

I've never seen so many on WSOP online poker. 11 6max 2.5/5nl games, 20 6max 1/2nl,
17 full ring 50NL, bunch of PLO. Online is coming back.

Let's talk coping mechanisms:

I have 135 lbs worth of 90 y.o. mother who doesn't have a stoic bone in her body. She spends most of her time in bed but gets to go out to lunch everyday and pretty soon the restaurants will close - even Denny's, which has not closed since they opened.

I'm already starting to lose my grip, seriously. Besides posting here and taking care of my mother and dog I've got nothing to do except lay in bed all day myself.

I could use some tips that don't involve alcohol.

video games.
my 70 yo parents are staying inside playing red dead redemption 2 on PS4.
books.
movies.
look up how people in prison pass time.
bible study probably a good idea.

I assume you removed my post. I don’t appreciate that. The post was factual and heartfelt and pointed out on-going scandals affecting us all.
I don’t post often, and seldom here...but...two different doctors from the VA have personally called to cancel appointments because they deemed my safety at risk to come in...30% plus of retirement poof...and look what’s running this s#@% show into the ground.
These are the kind of people the guillotine was invented for

I'd say lack of testing w/ a bias weighted towards severe cases combined with some of the medical overload. But I'd say mostly lack of testing. That's why I qualified my statement w/ having access to medical services. But yeah I think including all the other data at this point outside of Korea's numbers is just adding noise at this point with regards to calculating a realistic cfr.

Looking at the US death count the actual cases imo should be a little more than double what is currently being reported. Anyways I hope the next few months at least brings some increased capacity in medical services, some medications, and a slowing of the spread.

Some casinos are looking for a government bailout (including cash payments):

https://www.thehour.com/business/art...s-15135870.php

with Trump being close with people like Adelson, Ruffin, and Wynn, it might happen.

post more here, howard. Relive your AMP days.

Your post was in a string of political posts that were deleted by me.

No politics allowed in NVG. There is a Coronavirus thread in the political forum.

fyp. Party on Garth.

Daily new infections declined worldwide yesterday for the first time in over a week. They only declined slightly, and they still increased pretty dramatically in the US, but perhaps we have finally seen Europe turn the corner?

All casinos in Washington state will be closed by midnight tonight!!!!!

You might want to check out this thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1764707/

Yeah I've been splashing around. There was even a full 15/30 LHE game! The client crashed a few times. But that may just be my lappy.

The Invisible Man this Friday

Its pointless to discuss the "death rate" without specifying the conditions under which the deaths occur. The virus could have a 2% death rate among a population where all the seriously ill people requiring ICUs and ventilators have those resources available. What we have seen in Italy is that, unsurprisingly, once ICU units and ventilators are all occupied the death rate soars as seriously ill people aren't able to get proper, lifesaving treatment. While Italy has an older population than we do here in the USA, they also have about twice as many doctors per capita and more ICUs and ventilators per capita. If we see the similar infection rates here as in Italy (certain possible, if not likely, given our "response" so far) then we probably have 10-12 days before our ICUs and available ventilators become overwhelmed and the real problems begin.

Most importantly, sincere well wishes to everyone and condolences to those who have lost. People can argue about statistics and talk about the latest propaganda, doom and gloom and spread the fear. Blame bad things on politicians and argue about who has the better numbers or knowledge. What a colossal waste of time. No one knows or ever will know the true statistics. We can't even get a test if we wanted one. I don't want one. By now I've surely been exposed and don't want to be tracked or forced into even more toxic quarantine conditions. Next year there will be a new flu. Are we just going to isolate forever? I'm not advocating for anyone to be risky or pull a Gobert. The BS going on now isn't going to help anyone. The economic devastation and panic might "flatten the curve" for a BIT, but people are still going to die. From natural causes or the regular flu or the corona or whatever shows up next month. It will happen. We live as human beings in a survival of the fittest environment. Yes, it is sad when someone does not survive. This is not avoidable. Maybe there will be isolated incidents where medical capacity is exceeded. Timing can suck, right? We've all been rivered. All this isolation and social distancing and quarantining is going to do is scare people...literally to death. Almost everyone has mild symptoms from this, so we shut everything down? I'm calling BS and say we all get back to normal activity immediately. Flattening the curve to destroy millions of lives and livelihoods? This makes no sense to me.