The fact that it is overwhelming their facilities shows that the magnitude of it is beyond normal regardless of whether the actual rate of dying is much lower than is being reported. The volume alone makes it significant.

The mortality rate is now 3.4%



Link

1. Yes.

(2a.) No, and

(2b.) Yes.

Last night this "live stream" had 7k concurrent viewers. It has 10k now.



Also, here's a link to a March 6th video uploaded by VOX. Warning that it's a bit graphic (animal cruelty) so I'll just put the hyperlink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

can someone with no symptoms be infected and contagious?

I'll leave alone all the logistical reasons why this will never happen.

Gaming regulators can do pretty much whatever they want and there isn't much of an appeals process. I think its correct for them to say this is not a gaming matter and defer any decisions to State Health officials. I mean they are (at the decision making levels) bureaucrats and this topic is for sure a third rail in NV state politics;

This is a tricky spot for Nevada state politicians. (especially NV over other states with gaming) . As Vegas is for sure going to take a HUGE financial hit. Nobody knows duration. Might just effect a single quarter, might be more. This has caused other huge problems like this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-06/banks-promised-7-billion-for-a-casino-deal-then-the-virus-hit


I get it now. makes sense. Shockingly , BoBo was correct. you and i were saying the same thing


arty bringing much needed levity to otherwise pretty depressing thread.

Re the quarantine stuff - per the CDC

Federal Law

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
CDC’s Role

Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.

When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease.
State, Local, and Tribal Law

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.
Who Is in Charge
The federal government

Acts to prevent the entry of communicable diseases into the United States. Quarantine and isolation may be used at U.S. ports of entry.
Is authorized to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states.
May accept state and local assistance in enforcing federal quarantine.
May assist state and local authorities in preventing the spread of communicable diseases.

State, local, and tribal authorities

Enforce isolation and quarantine within their borders.

It is possible for federal, state, local, and tribal health authorities to have and use all at the same time separate but coexisting legal quarantine power in certain events. In the event of a conflict, federal law is supreme.
Enforcement

If a quarantinable disease is suspected or identified, CDC may issue a federal isolation or quarantine order.

Public health authorities at the federal, state, local, and tribal levels may sometimes seek help from police or other law enforcement officers to enforce a public health order.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Coast Guard officers are authorized to help enforce federal quarantine orders.

Breaking a federal quarantine order is punishable by fines and imprisonment.

And, Coronavirus is clearly listed under "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndromes)

So basically, the CDC declares it, with or without state involvement, Customs and Border Protection/Coast Guard enforce it, fines/imprisonment as needed.

So whatever Caesers opinion of this is.....minimal.

MM MD

Doing the calculation of death divided by infected does not work properly. As mentioned before a high amount of people, especially young ones, only have very mild symptoms. A huge amount of that people will not be tested, won't go to the hospital or scotor and therefore will never be shown in the statistics.

So the number you would have to divide by is prob much higher. Yeah you can argue that the death number also might be higher, due to many diff reasons.

That's not my opinion thats a lot of the best experts in the field, at least in Europe, say this that the mortality rate very likely is more in the 0.5-1% area....

Yeah I agree with this take along with what Kilowatt, ArtyMcFly and others are saying.

A lot of what you cited is along the lines of what I saw as someone in media back in the 1990s. Mostly to do with flash flooding in Texas, regional emergency management coordinators taking over local hotels to house temporary refugees, releasing water from dams, keeping tabs on rescue personnel, and FEMA administration of disaster areas.

The planning/execution/paperwork of all that had to do with "evacuation" rather than "containment" though.

There are a lot of "huge gatherings" aka sporting events scheduled in the U.S. in upcoming months that WSOP could perhaps monitor in the meantime. But only basketball is indoors. Perhaps the best indicator would be keeping an eye on large conventions scheduled in Las Vegas during the WSOP, and see if they're updating, what they're saying, etc.

Yeah - the CDC is one of the few federal agencies that actually seem to do the job properly, although I'd be leery above the first 3 or so pay grades at the top for making decisions - just how political that level is unclear to me. The whole idea is that for something like the WSOP you "evacuate" by preventing the event from occurring - the containment is kind of letting the horse way down the road. We'll know a lot more in the next couple of weeks in terms of updates. I'd guess given the demographics they're probably at less risk that a fair number of other functions, but I doubt that's going to factor in anyone's decision making process.

MM MD

Use of surgical masks in robberies is not news.

There was one about 2 years ago, at a bank branch a mile from my residence, or so it was reported.

Trump shook hand with the same guy. Will he be quarantined?

Casino in Oregon just got shut down after an employee tested positive.

Can't think of a better place to catch something than sitting with them for hours at a poker table, people are gross. I haven't played in weeks.

link?

My computer is screwing up right now so I can’t post it for some reason here’s a pic you can Google that headline it was a people magazine article

One time

If this can affect our future President and potentially our current President as well then none of us are safe!

lol

Another one bits the dust:

Indian Wells tennis tournament postponed because of coronavirus case

https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/indian...rce=NYPTwitter

They are replaying On Assignment with Richard Engel on MSNBC right now, I watched it.
Very good about CV.

I often wondered who the viewer was that watches MSDNC.

I watch all the major news networks when there is something like this going on. Anything that looks good.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out post. Overruled,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-AXgYO0lo

Nevada regulators can act.

That the Federal government may take some action on health grounds does not occupy the field with respect to what a State gaming regulator may decide on its own authority.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45825.pdf (preemption law generally)

The NVGCB could clearly act to suspend the WSOP it is desired to do so, but, as PTLou correctly points out that is highly unlikely and not how things are generally done in gaming in Nevada.

For its part, yes, Caesars could also decide on its own cancel, reschedule the WSOP, without neededin Federal input to take such action.

The issue also was cancellation or postponing the WSOP, not quarantine of players or dealers.

If, though you seem eager to discuss something else, the issue were whether the Feds could impose a ban , on health grounds, the answer is clearly, yes, the Feds could act to effectively cancel events like the WSOP as well.
I happen personally to believe that in a world where Shelly A holds sway, the WSOP could be thrown under the bus to stave off closure pf casinos generally by Fed fiat.

but, YES , you are correct, that neither the State nor Caesars could break a quarantine imposed by the Feds..... but that is not happening, the passengers on the good ship WSOP have not embarked on the Card Player Cruises version of the WSOP.

I agree. Not yet. OTOH, (and I'm VERY much hoping this doesn't happen) if an area of Northern Italy in terms of numbers of deaths occur in a particular area, what the Feds might do would be open to thought.

The original point of my post anyway was someone who seemed certain that the Feds had absolutely no authority to demand that the WSOP (or from what I could tell ANY business) shut down a business due to quarantine rules - which is obviously an error. TBH, given the demographics of the WSOP I doubt the vast majority of attendees would be at minimal risk, but that's probably not how that decision is going to be made, if it comes to it.

I'm suspecting (hoping) that we end up on the South Korea side of things rather than that the side of Italy. I'm in two of the demographic problem areas - 64 and on chemo presently - so I'm a little nervous. OTOH my healthy 50 y/o brother - hardly at all, and even less so for kids.

MM MD

Like you, I also thought this virus only affected poor, dirty minorities. I guess we were wrong.