For better or worse, you have made your thoughts on these "issues" crystal clear. The back-and-forth has now sunk to silly posts that do not belong in this thread.

We have tried very hard to keep this an informative and valuable thread for the poker community, and we will continue to do so going forward. If you cannot follow that guideline, you will be asked to stop posting here.

You don't see the difference between jumping off a bridge and covering your mouth? One negatively effects me nilch, the other is catastrophic.


If there were reason to believe that my hair growing out was hazardous to public health, yeah Id shave my head.

and would u be ok with the women in your family doing so, and how about testes, how about we remove those too while we're at it if its good for the public just let the govt control who gets fertilized? You are comparing apples to oranges and not using common sense or logic imo

There shouldn't even be "camps" in a Covid discussion. Sadly, it seems that's what a lot of public discourse turns into these days - people becoming entrenched in their own positions, and not listening to anyone that isn't in their "camp". And that's not limited to politics - it applies to many, many topics. Like Covid.

I disagree and think this is an odd stance to take, but I'm actually trying to avoid political discussion because this isn't the thread or forum for it.

No, I have no interest in control of any narrative. I'm not sure how that expression even makes sense here.

i try to be objective and analyze correctly whenever possible. Ill bow out for the day but last thing ill say on it Bobo is that the data and USA politics are so convoluted and skewed its literally impossible to discuss the virus without politics coming into play. I feel for u as the post deleter guy and please leave mine up im trying to be respectful and objective and im entitled to my pov imo. The reason i brought up u controlling narratives is how u automatically sided with the "we need masks" side, and telling me to shut it down

I can't recall having taken a side on masks, especially in our conversation. I have thoughts on it that are a little more nuanced than "for" or "against", but will leave that for another time as I'm off to do other things. I've never told you to shut it down; I've just mentioned that politics doesn't belong in this thread.

What might be causing some confusion is that while I do have admin powers, I rarely moderate in NVG for content; I leave that for the regular NVG mods. I was just reminding you of the NVG stance on politics in this forum. It'll be up to them if they think you (or I) have crossed the line and need to rein it in.

by "shut it down" i was paraphrasing and thats how I interpreted your posts maybe I was wrong. Im curious why you would take it upon yourself to "remind me" of anything unless you have a personal opinion on the matter or a vested interest? I know ur a good guy and mod but come on now thats a bit of a stretch...

I, um, wait, what?

First of all, as a moderator and a participant in this thread, I'd like it to stay on topic. Secondly, when I engage with someone but don't respond to any political side of their argument, I like to mention why.

I have no idea what vested interest you think I could have, or how telling you that politics isn't welcome in this thread would help said interest.

As for my opinion, as I said earlier, it's nuanced. But I'll say this much for now, since you seem to be concerned about my interests and opinions and how they sway what I've posted - I've worn a mask a total of 4 times so far since this all began. That's not a badge of honour, just the way it's been for me.

Or you could say "your mother!" which is the approximate level of analysis you're doing ITT.

I said what we know about the original SARS. Never said or implied there was a vaccine. What we know is that 17 years later people who had that SARS can still produce antibodies.

Even the article you quote states the reason there was no vaccine then was because by the time the first was ready for trials there was no need fo one so the scientist moved on. Why test a vaccine that has no active disease To prevent. Just save the money. Plus how would you prove it worked with no outbreak to prevent.

You said there will be a vaccine by the first quarter of 2021.

It will have set at least two records, first vaccine for a covid virus and first developed in less than a year.

Just the manufacturing process will take several years to place herd immunity type effectiveness.

I hope you make these statements out of genuine hope rather than ignoring history.

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What is your evidence for this? AstraZeneca has already pledged to have 2 billion doses of the Oxford vaccine produced by early 2021.

It is worth pointing out for those who didn’t notice that the article you posted is from February.

There are seven billion people in the world, we may need 5 billion doses, and there is no viable vaccine as of now.
Trials of vaccination effectively working takes time, usually 3-5 years.

How can you promise something that doesn't exist yet?

We have no idea what the manufacturing process will entail.

Is it going to be antibodies sourced, which means we have to have donors, or is it genetic sourced, or will it be a combo of other type vaccinations?

These companies making these types of contracts are not being genuine.

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The Oxford vaccine is one of several currently in stage III trials, largely in the UK and Brazil. They expect to have results by the end of September. The vaccine has already been shown to be almost universally effective at producing both antibody and t-cell response against covid in Phase I trials published a few weeks ago.

AstraZeneca and its partners are also already in the process of producing hundreds of thousands of doses in anticipation of the Phase III trial results.

2 billion doses is not enough to vaccinate the entire world, but this is just one of several vaccines. The Chinese, for example, have their own vaccine that is in the same stages of trials as Oxford, and which they are currently using to vaccinate their military. Of the 2 billion Oxford doses, 300 million are specifically allocated to US distribution.

I likewise hope your negativity is due to not knowing current status. At least three candidates in or entering stage 3 trials in the US alone. And these are already starting to manufacture doses with commitments of BILLIONS by next year.

These candidates have already proven to generate n immune response. We do not know how well, how st4ong or how long of a response. But we do know from the prior SARS virus that the immune system can generate a long lasting response. Even if the response can only re-educated the severity and not prevent covid it can be a success.

Even your own article covers why there was no vaccine last time. And it is horribly dated

Six months is dated?

On the vaccine timeline, that's a blip.

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These vaccines DO exist. They are not proven and not approved. But the already exist. They are already producing doses. So they do know how 5o manufacture this. The phase III trials are in progress. They will know if they provide protection. Won’t know how long. But they will know if they work even if they don’t know fully how well.

Yes these are genuine companies making genuine contracts. We are talking about some of the largest pharma companies. They are not all fly by night or Chinese military companies.

This post didn’t age well

technically it's still unclear

if the WSOP never rolls around then..

You are fortunate I didn't come across this before the other mods unless of course bans are ok with you. I don't give two ****s how you try to rationalize it, there is no politics allowed in NVG. Period!

So, coming back around to this...

I'm lucky to live in an area where Covid is very much, well, I don't want to say under control as I don't know if that's ever safe to say, but it's going quite well. We are seeing a bump lately with some reopening, but even then we're only at about an average of 30-35 cases/day in a province of 5 million. 5 Covid cases in hospital currently. Because of that, there is no mask mandate, and the only recommendation is to wear one if you can't physically distance. If I go to a store where they ask that we wear one, I do, so I've worn one for my three trips to Costco (they recommend but don't require them here), and twice for haircuts where it's actually required. In most places, mask wearers are still in the minority.

I have friends who feel strongly about masks and think they should be required everywhere; I disagree. I have two concerns around masks. First of all, a lot of people don't wear them properly, and I think some of the gain (definitely not all) is mitigated by people screwing with their masks and then touching things. However, I will grant that effect may be relatively minor. My bigger concern is around the effect it has on how people behave, as some treat mask-wearing as a substitute for distancing. We're all wearing masks, now there's nothing to worry about, right? If I was confident that people would distance in the same manner, and masks were simply another layer of protection, then there's no question in my mind it would be beneficial. If not, I'm not as certain. I think that may be part of the reason they haven't been mandated here. Of course, if I lived in a state where we were experiencing 5-10,000 cases per day (and I didn't live in a lucky bubble county with few cases), I think I'd put aside those concerns and be doing whatever I could to protect myself and others.

All that said, if our provincial health officials mandated tomorrow that we need to wear masks everywhere indoors in public, I would be wearing one indoors in public. If they recommended it, I expect I'd be doing the same. That's because here, Covid hasn't been politicized. I mean, of course there are people with extreme political views who think things like wearing masks are "left" or "right" issues, but they're in the minority. I'm confident that our health officials are acting in our best interest, thankfully. What kind of hope would there be for public health if we didn't?

That doesn't mean they're always right. There have been mistakes made all the way along, as they learn. They shouldn't be above scrutiny. But in the end, I'm going to take their advice over that of the latest Youtube video that tells me they are in cahoots with Gates and Fauci and China and the WHO to control us, place chips in us, and ruin our economy so China will achieve world domination.

Lol. Brain damage confirmed.


I'm comparing apples to oranges when you're comparing sliding a piece of fabric over your mouth to being neutered or women shaving their head? You can't be real.

Saturday, the day after I left, there was a huge protest close to our office in Berlin. 20k people from all spectrums protesting Covid19 measures like mask mandates. Right wing, left wing, conspiracy theorists, anti vaxxers all united.

I think it’s fair to say that countries where the pandemic hasn’t been politicized are doing significantly better right now than others.

Presumably you believed the neurosurgeons when they gave you that diagnosis, because you accept that brain surgeons know more about brains than you do.
So why don't you believe epidemiologists when they recommend that you wear a mask? Do you know something about infectious diseases that they don't?

If it helps out the process, they don’t need to make a dose for me