Yeah but same as in poland, romania, czech republic and so on. Just saying it's certainly not the only tough (Syria people laugh now) place to live in Europe. Not even close to the toughest I would say.
https://www.businessinsider.de/inter...9-2/?r=US&IR=T
According to this source Italy is on rank 7 in Europe for corruption, not that bad.
Slovakia, Croatia, Romania, Hungary, greece, bulgaria all worse...

They just talk the most about corruption in italy, in these other countries you most likely already dead before you talk about it

Get the thread back on track.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ssons.amp.html

I copy and pasted the whole article and suggest you to read it on the website directly but all is there.
I urge you to go with any symptoms directly to the HOSPITAL as there are SUPERSPREADERS!!

Thanks for sharing, washoe.

Would it be okay to edit your post so that only a few sentences of the original NYT article appears here on the boards?

I ask because of DMCA guidelines that exist to protect against cross-posting large portions of copyrighted content.

https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

All the best. -David

EDIT: Thanks so much. I'm reading what washoe linked now. Cheers.

I am trying to help all these guys? And then they wanna sue me for copyright enfingement? What copyrights do i break? I have a source I am not saying I wrote it.
Bro thank you but I don't know what to cut out as it is all important. Sorry for the mass of the post!

Thanks! Looking better!

As dhubermex alluded to, you shouldn't do this. I fixed it for you.

This advice, I would very much question. If everybody with any symptoms shows up at the hospital, they'll be overwhelmed. Here's what's happening at our local hospital, who so far seems to have things under control (admittedly these are VERY early days):

The province is asking people to call in, or use a website they have set up for this purpose, if they are wondering about symptoms and whether they need to go to a hospital.

But that's here in Canada - perhaps your country is handling it differently. I'd suggest following your local medical authority's advice and not just show up at a hospital if you have any symptoms - unless that's what they recommend, of course.

I understand, and genuinely appreciate the sentiment. Personally I'm willing to read/watch just about anything related to this pandemic because I know/understand pretty much zero about it.

The DMCA mention is just a reminder/request that is somewhat common on forums as a way to encourage compliance with existing copyright laws/guidelines.

Thanks yup even better
Just get tested it's fast. They only swipe you with a cotton. Supercontatious I meant don't try to be the hero until next year.

FWIW, not every country tests on demand like that. The US sure doesn't, as it's well-known they don't have nearly enough test kits. Our test inventory doesn't get talked about much, I'm hoping because we have enough, but I think enough here means what the health care professionals feel we need, as opposed to enough to test everyone who'd like one. They're also probably being conservative to ensure they have plenty if and when it really gets crazy.

Gotta say, I'm getting quite concerned for our American neighbours. Just shy of doubling the total cases in 2 days, and they had the most new cases in the world today, passing even Italy's big numbers. Stay safe and healthy out there, and follow your health authority's instructions - or in some states, probably go well beyond them.

Edit to add: I see now worldometer did some adjustments, moving some of the cases from the 21st to the 22nd (they're using GMT), so that changes my stats mentioned above, but doesn't change the overall numbers, unfortunately.

The first one, the doughnut, was pretty funny ...

It was specific for the CoVid crisis, good comic relief ...lol

I should have rephrased it to Italy f up, and there is lessons learned. Like the name of topic.

Mod Note:

OK, no more Italy bashing or otherwise.

As others have mentioned, ^this^ is mainly just wrong.
The two countries with the worst current outbreaks in Europe are Italy and Spain. They are fifth and sixth in the world for life-expectancy, and #2 and #3 in Europe, just behind Switzerland, which also has a terrible Covid outbreak.
It's been theorized that the reason for the longevity of Italians is the 'Mediterranean diet'. Italians seem to add tomatoes and olive oil to everything, and various research has tried to correlate 'Mediterranean diets' with lower cancer rates and better heart health. Despite the caricature of the angry Italian gesticulating like a lunatic, Italians and Spaniards have the lowest blood pressure in Europe.
I'm not fully on board with the diet => better health thing. There's a much better correlation between blood pressure and latitude. In short, the better theory (imo) for why Italians and Spanish people live longer than Brits or Germans is that they live closer to the equator, do more outdoor work (agriculture etc), and get more sunshine.
Being cooped up in an office is not good for your health. When all this panic is over, if you want to lower your blood pressure and maybe add a year to your life, the best recommendation might be simply to get out more.

As for why Italy is suffering so badly now, I think it's a combination of several things, but mainly it was undetected super-spreaders in February, the aged population, and the overburdening of hospital resources. When the virus comes to your town, I hope your hospital has the capacity to cope.
As a Brit, I am very fearful about the latter, as our hospitals were scarily close to capacity even before this started. America should fare better (considerably lower occupancy of beds overall), but I saw that states like Oregon were 'creating' hospital beds in a warehouse in readiness for the coming apocalypse. For Italy - mainly through sheer bad luck - it all happened too quickly. What Italians eat or don't eat probably had nothing to do with it.

From the other thread:

Wonder how the regs, problem gamblers, and people addicted to gambling are fairing because of all of the casino closures do to COVID-19!

I don't agree with much of your argument in favour of stockpiling, but I'm especially confused by the above. Why does food production need to increase? Are people suddenly eating much more than usual?
You only need a certain number of calories per day. Whether you buy that food tomorrow, next week, or next month, doesn't change how much food you actually need.
If anything, food production might have to be increased because people are panic-buying food that won't get eaten before its sell-by date, and will therefore get wasted. If everyone just bought a normal amount, at their normal purchasing frequency, there would be no empty shelves at all. (Obviously people in lockdown might need to make larger, but less frequent, purchases. But you don't need to buy twice as much as usual, and twice as often!)
"I'll steal from you now, so that I can give some back to you in an emergency."

And here’s the latest from the WSOP:

After wading thru this thread it is interesting and a bit haunting to listen to a genius several years ahead of the world.






His original discussion of the topic from 2015 can be easily found on youtube.

Then several excellent interviews follow.

I explained in some depth on my previous posts that by people stocking up it has the natural effect of stimulating extra production, something that would not happen nearly as much if people weren't.

I also described how there is a risk of both domestic and international food and other products production and the food and other products supply chain being disrupted if the virus becomes more widespread. If we reach that point then there won't even be enough food and other essential goods available for everyone to last 7 days, let alone for 3 to 6 months.

Also by that point, and even now in my opinion, it would be far more risk to one's health to venture out into a public area such as a supermarket where transmission of the virus through the air, via surfaces (metallic in particular), on the surfaces of fresh food, on food packaging, on the handles of shopping baskets/trolleys etc is all possible.

I think I omitted to include that it is long shelf life food and personal care products that I am saying it is sensible and reasonable behaviour to cover yourself for ~3 months. Of course I am not advocating buying to excess fresh food or food with a short shelf life that would go to waste.

Naturally, things vary from country to country but here in the UK all people over the age of 70 or with underlying health problems have been advised to self isolate for 12 weeks, and all school children (and I think 16+ yrs old students) are now at home, excluding those of key workers.

The PM here Boris Johnson said that he thinks we can get the curve to flatten in about 12 weeks but the following day some scientific experts were more cautionary about it being that soon.

So do you seriously expect for example a husband and wife (or partners) with 3 children at home to exercise some misguided left wing political ideals and go out to the supermarket and buy their regular weekly shop (means regular quantity of goods in colloquial British English) and just hope that a) most other people exercise these same left wing ideals and b) that next week there will be enough in the shops to feed and look after their family.

Of course they won't buy 1 weeks worth of supplies, they will be trying to cover 3 months, perhaps more, and by doing so I will say again that this will stimulate production at a time where 90% of food and other goods production capacity worldwide is probably still intact.

Hopefully that 90% will not crash down too quickly, but if it does then by that point in time there will likely be a big percentage of the population who will have already achieved ~3 months of stores, so then will only need to replenish these stores week by week, or less often than that.

"TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!! TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!" - Mortimer in Trading Places.

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Very good point…………. this whole virus was deliberately started by Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin for a $1 bet. Xi wins if the Dow Jones Index is sub 17500 on June 30th, Vlad if it is higher. Then on July 1st China will announce that they have invented a vaccine.

So all a bit of harmless fun really between a couple of world leader chums.