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Controversy at final table of SHRPO 25k satty..allegations of colluding/cheating Controversy at final table of SHRPO 25k satty..allegations of colluding/cheating

04-22-2016 , 07:05 AM
Dentalle is just bad at math. Poor guy did an equity chop on 6,000 dollar pot at 40 percent and felt he only owed guy 500 dollars. He was being backed by Frankie Flowers who was banned for life from foxwoods for choking someone. Frankie later got reinstated.
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04-22-2016 , 07:20 AM
sounds like he goes full ****** a lot.
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04-22-2016 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mikeyunbelievable
I dgaf if you believe me your a lowlife in my eyes that couldn't a hold a candle to me, now go back to your basement and cry about how your life is worthless
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no I'm up about 30k for the trip, about what you make in a year
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moron been playing for 8 years and this is the 2nd incident you fool. your boy tried taking advantage of me when I first start playing and it didn't work. I never flip anyone's cards over you piece of ****, stop spreading lies and worry about your own miserable life
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My God where do you people come up with these magical stories lmaoooooo
Stay off the roids brah, they turned your brain into chicken soup.
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04-22-2016 , 08:34 AM
http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcas...usion-at-shrpo
You need to listen to the podcast with Dentale and Wheeler calling into the show. You can get more of a general perspective as to who is telling the truth by listening to what the both of them have to say. I came to the conclusion that both of them were not being 100% honest. Sounds as though a plan might have been hatched to get the girl into the satty without creating attention and being as discreet about it as possible. The plan might have backfired when Wheeler and his buddy caught on to Dentale fold and the fact that he forgot when dealer asked if he remembered his hand. . I could be dead wrong but that was the impression i got after listening to the show even though Dentale denied all wrongdoing. You could swear to this and swear to that but the more he rambles on , it sounds like someone got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Jason Wheeler could have told a convincing story if he didnt cover up the fact that he cursed at Dentale. I highly doubt Dentale made up the fact that Wheeler provoked the confrontation
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04-22-2016 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver
Dentalle is just bad at math. Poor guy did an equity chop on 6,000 dollar pot at 40 percent and felt he only owed guy 500 dollars. He was being backed by Frankie Flowers who was banned for life from foxwoods for choking someone. Frankie later got reinstated.
Where is Frankie these days anyway? Another good and classy guy!
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04-22-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hellofaplaya44
http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcas...usion-at-shrpo
You need to listen to the podcast with Dentale and Wheeler calling into the show. You can get more of a general perspective as to who is telling the truth by listening to what the both of them have to say. I came to the conclusion that both of them were not being 100% honest. Sounds as though a plan might have been hatched to get the girl into the satty without creating attention and being as discreet about it as possible. The plan might have backfired when Wheeler and his buddy caught on to Dentale fold and the fact that he forgot when dealer asked if he remembered his hand. . I could be dead wrong but that was the impression i got after listening to the show even though Dentale denied all wrongdoing. You could swear to this and swear to that but the more he rambles on , it sounds like someone got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Jason Wheeler could have told a convincing story if he didnt cover up the fact that he cursed at Dentale. I highly doubt Dentale made up the fact that Wheeler provoked the confrontation
Yup, Wheeler got caught in a huge lie and when called out there was a nice period of silence.

He was trying to paint a picture that didn't exist
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04-22-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hellofaplaya44
http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcas...usion-at-shrpo
You need to listen to the podcast with Dentale and Wheeler calling into the show. You can get more of a general perspective as to who is telling the truth by listening to what the both of them have to say. I came to the conclusion that both of them were not being 100% honest. Sounds as though a plan might have been hatched to get the girl into the satty without creating attention and being as discreet about it as possible. The plan might have backfired when Wheeler and his buddy caught on to Dentale fold and the fact that he forgot when dealer asked if he remembered his hand. . I could be dead wrong but that was the impression i got after listening to the show even though Dentale denied all wrongdoing. You could swear to this and swear to that but the more he rambles on , it sounds like someone got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Jason Wheeler could have told a convincing story if he didnt cover up the fact that he cursed at Dentale. I highly doubt Dentale made up the fact that Wheeler provoked the confrontation

OP said he did react after Dentale started talking about his family, he said he didn't react at first, Dentale said he did, OP said it's on video, Dentale went quiet.
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04-22-2016 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chinamaniac
Yup, Wheeler got caught in a huge lie and when called out there was a nice period of silence.

He was trying to paint a picture that didn't exist
You sound just like Dentale.

Either you're a half decent troll, or just one of them guys who want to believe something else just to be different, or you like the attention.
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04-22-2016 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by roddy
Either you're a fairly bad troll, or just one of them guys who want to believe something else just to be different, or you like the attention.
FYP

Also this is NVG, so it's likely all 3.
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04-22-2016 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Can you elaborate rate why? Because this doesn't make much of a sense to be honest.
The act of Lily going all in with the 1k is not collusion. She would have done that regardless.
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04-22-2016 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
FYP

Also this is NVG, so it's likely all 3.
I'd say decent, because he is annoying.

But +1 on prob all 3
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04-22-2016 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
The act of Lily going all in with the 1k is not collusion. She would have done that regardless.
Did you actually see the post I quoted?
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04-22-2016 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Did you actually see the post I quoted?
I do now, looks like you didn't need the simple explanation.

But you should never try and get inside the mind of a flea. Nothing to gain from that imo. Just explain why they are wrong and move on
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04-22-2016 , 12:19 PM
The best part of the podcast in my opinion is when Dentale says he would never engage in physical violence at the table but instead hit them where it really hurts by attacking their physical appearance . I have to admit it will work against a younger individual but against an older person they could care less, because their physical attraction to the opposite sex went down the toilet after they reach a certain age (55 and over) anyway
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04-22-2016 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Common sense tells anyone with half a brain that Lily was very involved. They spoke right before the incident and he knows her and the boyfriend.

The fact that she is getting a free pass from all this is disgusting. Notice Mukul never responded to my question about it.
Gimme more than 1 day to respond to your initial question maybe?

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Just curious, why are you giving Lily a pass on this? Yeah Dentale is a known angleshooting, cheating scumbag but from what I've heard you have always been cool with him, even when knowing about his nasty ways. Lily obviously was okay with this and probably made some kind of deal with Dentale prior to the hand so where is your anger with her?
I don't understand this one bit. This guy uses intimidation to get away with whatever he wants all the time. He goes way too far and finally there are 2 ppl willing to stand up to him by sharing the truth and explaining the facts, but now it's "why are you giving her a pass?"

Literally can't win, either you're saying too much or not enough.

Everyone needs to understand how impossible it is to PROVE what you are all speculating. There is no recording of a conversation between the 2 of them or anything of the sort.

I haven't made 1 accusation of collusion or cheating towards ANYONE.

When Mike decided to lie about certain details and certain facts were being left out I decided to call in/post. All we can do is provide all the facts about what happened and let this play out.

At the end of the day, it's Mike's unbelievable reaction and behavior at the table that can be looked at and judged by the powers that be. Not what you're all accusing him of, as unfortunate as that may seem.

6 ppl at the table outside of Mike & Lilly & 2 of us have been willing to share details and interact with you all for the sake of shining a light on this nonsense and hopefully further prepare ppl for this kind of situation going forward.

I'm not sitting here begging for a TY, but to constantly read things like this is ridiculous. You can't lay out all the facts for everyone to see in a situation like this and only implicate 1 person. It's either both or none, OBVIOUSLY.

All the vitriol is due to his ridiculous behavior and childlike attacks. Throughout the entire episode, Lily only sat there and played poker.

Speculate all you want, it's the facts that matter most.
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04-22-2016 , 01:10 PM
Muk can you give a bit more details about the kq and 44 hands you mentioned he defended on the podcast?

I think it's more damning if he claims he's on autofold and that's why he folds the a4 but if those hands are recent that's the best evidence he's guilty of soft playing
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04-22-2016 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NeVerMuK
Gimme more than 1 day to respond to your initial question maybe?



I don't understand this one bit. This guy uses intimidation to get away with whatever he wants all the time. He goes way too far and finally there are 2 ppl willing to stand up to him by sharing the truth and explaining the facts, but now it's "why are you giving her a pass?"

Literally can't win, either you're saying too much or not enough.

Everyone needs to understand how impossible it is to PROVE what you are all speculating. There is no recording of a conversation between the 2 of them or anything of the sort.

I haven't made 1 accusation of collusion or cheating towards ANYONE.

When Mike decided to lie about certain details and certain facts were being left out I decided to call in/post. All we can do is provide all the facts about what happened and let this play out.

At the end of the day, it's Mike's unbelievable reaction and behavior at the table that can be looked at and judged by the powers that be. Not what you're all accusing him of, as unfortunate as that may seem.

6 ppl at the table outside of Mike & Lilly & 2 of us have been willing to share details and interact with you all for the sake of shining a light on this nonsense and hopefully further prepare ppl for this kind of situation going forward.

I'm not sitting here begging for a TY, but to constantly read things like this is ridiculous. You can't lay out all the facts for everyone to see in a situation like this and only implicate 1 person. It's either both or none, OBVIOUSLY.

All the vitriol is due to his ridiculous behavior and childlike attacks. Throughout the entire episode, Lily only sat there and played poker.

Speculate all you want, it's the facts that matter most.
Hey man thanks for your time, and for sharing information.

It's Friday, have a good one.
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04-22-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FlapJacks316
lol colludaments (every live satty ever played btw)

This was a case of soft playing gone wrong, made to look like absolute chip dumping.

The OP states Lily was in the sb the very first hand after break and was the bb right before break. Mike states that last time he checked, Lily had chips. This means last time he even payed attention to her stack was before the break/her bb. She obviously lost 50%+ of her mini stack with antes and blinds. Mike didnt realize how crippling that orbit was for Lily. This leads one to believe that the soft play agreement had been made way before the break. I think the agreement was to soft play, but not for Mike to actively dump chips to her. He was drunk and obviously really only worried about himself, but if the opportunity presented itself where he could soft play her, he would.

Now with that said, it may be 100% true that they did not discuss what to do during the break. BECAUSE what they SHOULD HAVE SAID.. "hey, Mike...im going to be all in on the first hand on my sb and your bb....you can't fold/softplay anymore because that makes it look way too obvious and we have to have a showdown anyway by rule". There is no universe where Mike responds to that by saying "No il just loudly fold and muck and they won't be able to do anything about it". So I do 100% believe that they did not rework their soft play strat during the break. Mike thought the simple softplay was still in effect, because last time he looked (before the break/bb/sb) she had chips. He HAD TO think he was folding to a raise. I believe him.

Problem is, he was unaware that it was in under all in. He tried to soft play in a spot where you can not even soft play even if you wanted to. He was too drunk to care, and most likely truly didn't care if Lily got seat. This is why he got caught. The crime went went from " Il fold everything but AA,KK to you" to looking like " I have a big piece of you and I'm going to dump chips to you". He was just too drunk to realize she was all in and how bad it would look.

Tbh, I think Lily stayed quiet on the break on purpose. She knew he would fold if she said all in. He heard all in. He Knows unless he sees AA or KK he's folding. Sees A4 and folds without ever looking at her stack. Table goes crazy. He now realized how bad this looks. He KNOWS its going to look even worse if people know he had and Ace (but is really irrelevant. If he had 72 he still HAD TO SHOWDOWN.) So he tried to leave out the fact he had an ace because he knew exactly how bad it would look.


With all that said....Kids, do not play sattys. I've never not seen absolute cheating /collusion /soft playing during them. It seems to be the standard practice and I was once a bubble victim because of it. Wanted to go on murdertilt, but kept my cool for once.
Hate to quote a giant wall of text but you are wrong because the old guy asked her stack size right after the break.
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04-22-2016 , 01:32 PM
understood that the sequela was unacceptable, but what his initial motivation? how would he benefit from folding? he must have known his chip stack was not inpenetrable
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04-22-2016 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NeVerMuK
Gimme more than 1 day to respond to your initial question maybe?


I don't understand this one bit. This guy uses intimidation to get away with whatever he wants all the time. He goes way too far and finally there are 2 ppl willing to stand up to him by sharing the truth and explaining the facts, but now it's "why are you giving her a pass?"

Literally can't win, either you're saying too much or not enough.

Everyone needs to understand how impossible it is to PROVE what you are all speculating. There is no recording of a conversation between the 2 of them or anything of the sort.

I haven't made 1 accusation of collusion or cheating towards ANYONE.

When Mike decided to lie about certain details and certain facts were being left out I decided to call in/post. All we can do is provide all the facts about what happened and let this play out.

At the end of the day, it's Mike's unbelievable reaction and behavior at the table that can be looked at and judged by the powers that be. Not what you're all accusing him of, as unfortunate as that may seem.

6 ppl at the table outside of Mike & Lilly & 2 of us have been willing to share details and interact with you all for the sake of shining a light on this nonsense and hopefully further prepare ppl for this kind of situation going forward.

I'm not sitting here begging for a TY, but to constantly read things like this is ridiculous. You can't lay out all the facts for everyone to see in a situation like this and only implicate 1 person. It's either both or none, OBVIOUSLY.

All the vitriol is due to his ridiculous behavior and childlike attacks. Throughout the entire episode, Lily only sat there and played poker.

Speculate all you want, it's the facts that matter most.
Hey Muk you handled yourself exceptionally well on the podcast with Tuch especially when Dentale was trying to bait you and get you off topic.

Just wanted to say thanks for bringing this to light. I think people will be much more aware of the "shenanigans" that take place in satty's and certain people to be aware of like Dentale.
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04-22-2016 , 02:15 PM
Steroids are Baaaaaad, not a good look for a soon to be 50 year old.

Last edited by ZeckoRiver; 04-22-2016 at 02:31 PM.
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04-22-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thankjay
Muk can you give a bit more details about the kq and 44 hands you mentioned he defended on the podcast?
The details are exactly as I said in the podcast. I don't remember the KQ hand extremely well but I definitely remember his small pair hand (I say small pair bc I thought it was 44, but Nipun Java who played the hand with Mike said it was 55.) I remember him folding KQ face up after missing a flop shortly before the 55 hand, I believe it was KsQs or KsQc, he defended against a MP open and folded face up on the flop after he bricked. Would be willing to bet a lot of money this hand took place and is on security footage.

The A6hh>55 hand I am absolutely positive went down within an orbit or 2 of the break that preceded the episode. Nipun Java opened MP, Mike defended. We are 10 handed. Flop came three middling cards, I believe 986 with a suit. Turn and river brought 2 bways, I believe T, K & not a single bet was made postflop. After the river, Nipun showed A6hh and Dentale felt the need to show us how unlucky he got by showing 44 or 55. I thought it was 44 originally but Nipun played the hand and is confident it was 55. Saw the hand face up, 1000% on the security footage if looked at
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04-22-2016 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by swd805
Hate to quote a giant wall of text but you are wrong because the old guy asked her stack size right after the break.
Oh, ok. Im wrong because you assume Mike was paying attention and heard this happen? LOL. All the evidence points to Mike being OBLIVIOUS to EVERYTHING happening at the table. There was an old guy in seat one who even vouched for Mike never looking at her stack. All he heard was "Lilys all in? Ok . FOLD!"......Had he KNOWN that she was all in for less, there is NO WAY he tries to fold. He's not that dumb. He was obviously unaware of stack sizes and the situation and he thought "slow play my boys girl" was still in effect. Why else would he make the one move that makes it look like absolute cheating?

A whole wall of text of my theory and you claim I'm wrong because you KNOW mike was fully aware of everything. Even when OP, Muk and Mike all state Mike was drunk as balls.
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04-22-2016 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by topdoll827
She didn't mention to you on the break she was down to 1 big ???
Mike spent the whole break discussing his bi's and tri's routines. She was quite fascinated.
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04-22-2016 , 02:54 PM
he claims he was drunk and dominated the conversation during break. which is basically the only believable thing he's said the whole time, given the way he handled himself on twitch (and in general)
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